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Trump border wall threatens archaeological sites in Arizona
Axios ^ | 9/16/19 | Orion Rummler

Posted on 09/17/2019 6:47:26 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

Unrecorded archaeological sites within Arizona’s Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument could be destroyed by President Trump's border wall construction, according to a newly public National Park Service report obtained by the Washington Post.

The big picture: Customs and Border Patrol plans to finish construction through the Arizona International Biosphere Reserve by January, according to the report. Construction began on Aug. 29. The Trump administration told Axios in August it expects to build 450 miles of wall by the end of 2020 — but was unable to say when it would add its 1st mile of new wall to a border area without pre-existing barriers.

Details: The Trump administration aims to replace all existing vehicle barriers and pedestrian fencing along the monument's southern boundary with a 30 foot tall steel bollard fence, undergirded by an 8–10 foot concrete and steel foundation, according to the report, conducted in June and obtained by a Freedom of Information Act request from the Washington Post.

What they're saying: According to the report, archaeologists with NPS' Intermountain Region Archaeology Program and Southern Arizona Support Office say they "must assume" that all buried and unrecorded archaeological deposits within the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument "will be destroyed over the course of ensuing border wall construction."

“We feel very strongly that this particular wall will desecrate this area forever. I would compare it to building a wall over your parents’ graveyards," Tohono O’odham Nation chairman Ned Norris Jr. told the Post.The Nation is one of at least a dozen Native American tribes that describe cultural and historical connections to the lands within the Arizona monument.


TOPICS: Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; buidthewall; fakenews; illegals; immigration; trump
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To: struggle

B-b-but can’t somebody stop him? Spotted owls, endangered termite strains, and now archaeological sites! People are crying themselves to sleep tonight over this./s

By the way, this is not entirely one of my jokes. Please read this actual list and hope there aren’t any near the Wall we need built.

List of Federally Protected Insects——
Smith’s Blue Butterfly. The Smith’s blue butterfly is tiny — his wingspan tops out at 2.5 centimeters
Flying Earwig Hawaiian Damselfly. ...
Franklin’s Bumble Bee. ...
Hungerford’s Crawling Water Beetle.

Keep an eye out for any of these but keep quiet about it.


21 posted on 09/17/2019 7:05:22 PM PDT by frank ballenger (End vote fraud & harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: Redleg Duke

Years ago someone said to me: “T S”

I had no idea what they meant and asked them. They looked at me like I was not very well informed and said, “ Tough shoveling.”

A few years later I found out what T S really meant.


22 posted on 09/17/2019 7:06:03 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: mylife

The Organ Pipe doesn’t belong to the Tohono O’odham rez. The standing joke is that every rock, every stream, every leaf, every animal, ever piece of dung that can be found is Arizona is sacred to some tribe. Someone should ask its chairman Ned Norris Jr. what the hell he has done either to stop the flow of illegals across the rez, or what he has done to support the US Border Patrol.


23 posted on 09/17/2019 7:08:09 PM PDT by Bookshelf
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To: Impala64ssa

Okay, how square miles of park is there and how many are taken up by a 50-100 foot area along the border and what about the positive effect of stopping people going through these lands, destroying it, leaving trash?


24 posted on 09/17/2019 7:09:46 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: Impala64ssa

Unrecorded sites = imaginary sites that magically appear whenever construction is imminent, unless said construction be the basement of a Democrat’s mansion.


25 posted on 09/17/2019 7:11:39 PM PDT by piasa (')
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To: Fungi

There could be something there. So you follow federal regs, get a project archeologist, and monitor the site. Mitigation archaeology exists for situations like this.


26 posted on 09/17/2019 7:11:55 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: Fungi

“Unrecorded archaeological sites” What are those?”

Those are the ones discovered during the construction of the wall. The ones which would never be known if the digging for the wall were not done. Somewhat similar to Sadaam’s goodies buried out in the desert in Iraq.


27 posted on 09/17/2019 7:11:57 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Bookshelf

They will not allow any law on the reservation and you are correct OPCNM is not their land, it is the only buffer we have on the border there.


28 posted on 09/17/2019 7:13:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: piasa

Or Barry’s Presidential Center.

Don’t see the archaeological community having a cow about that.


29 posted on 09/17/2019 7:14:02 PM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds)
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To: Impala64ssa

Anything there of value was already stolen by illegals. The tohono nation is a wide swath of featureless desert and drug corridors.

We saw our first major illegal immigration corridor driving towards Benson the first year out here. Just like the photo in this thread, it was a small valley, about 200 feet across with garbage strewn about across every inch of it as far as you could see running North and South. Filthy bastards!


30 posted on 09/17/2019 7:20:03 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Impala64ssa

Funny..I lived in Arizona for a year workin g for the Headstart on one of the Apache reservations.

The locals routinely go dig up Indian graves on the weekends for pottery and beads. They are simply EVERYWHERE!


31 posted on 09/17/2019 7:21:25 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I Love Bull Markets!)
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To: rightwingcrazy

Don’t worry. They’ll use every trick in the book.


32 posted on 09/17/2019 7:22:43 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: Impala64ssa

What-the-crap-ever! Such a flipping joke!


33 posted on 09/17/2019 7:23:25 PM PDT by vpintheak (Stop making stupid people famous!)
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To: Impala64ssa

I don’t give a crap. Build the wall.


34 posted on 09/17/2019 7:23:37 PM PDT by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: Rj Snows
It’s not Trump’s border wall it’s the American people, it’s our border.

Partner, the Southern Border when finished belongs to "We the People".

35 posted on 09/17/2019 7:25:10 PM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (God Bless Texas...)
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To: Impala64ssa
...“We feel very strongly that this particular wall will desecrate this area forever. I would compare it to building a wall over your parents’ graveyards," Tohono O’odham Nation chairman Ned Norris Jr. told the Post...

It is not at all like building on my parents graveyards. These are unknown sites.

I know where my parents are buried. And other ancestors that have been long forgotten and are in unknown places do not really matter.

36 posted on 09/17/2019 7:27:45 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Impala64ssa

Well after looking at a map of the area, I’ve concluded this article is pure BS and that parks director should be fired.

Mexico has a state hwy 2 that runs the entire length of the park and is right on the border. US side already has a dirt road that parallels hwy 2.

If there was damage to artifacts, it was done many years ago. Installation of a new wall will not disturb the park.

This crap liberal park director should be fired. Just another government deadbeat.


37 posted on 09/17/2019 7:27:55 PM PDT by redshawk (Willie's Whore was bused......oh my...lying pig)
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To: Impala64ssa
"... unrecorded archaeological deposits..."

If they are "unrecorded", they don't exist for all intents & purposes...

Be nice if the communist scum would only have the same concern over all the "unrecorded" illegal aliens in the U.S... A real problem, not an imaginary problem...

38 posted on 09/17/2019 7:28:17 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: HighSierra5

They haven’t tried the Emoluments angle either. You know, how he’s building the wall to get people to go to his hotels, or something.


39 posted on 09/17/2019 7:28:42 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-)
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To: Impala64ssa

Be nice to the environment. Ensure cacti with those nice long spikes are placed all around the wall. ha ha


40 posted on 09/17/2019 7:30:48 PM PDT by plain talk
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