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Deep-Six Stare Decisis
ArticleVBlog ^ | July 8th 2019 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 07/08/2019 1:52:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie

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1 posted on 07/08/2019 1:52:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

How the hell do you pronounce stare decisis? Online dictionaries don’t specify this for reasons known but to God.


2 posted on 07/08/2019 3:31:08 AM PDT by TalBlack (Damn right I'll "do something" you fat, balding son of a bitch!)
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To: TalBlack

Star I de sIsis


3 posted on 07/08/2019 3:33:19 AM PDT by mindburglar (Stupid is supposed to hurt. - Lurkers Granddad.)
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To: mindburglar

Thanks. I had the first word right.


4 posted on 07/08/2019 3:36:38 AM PDT by TalBlack (Damn right I'll "do something" you fat, balding son of a bitch!)
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To: TalBlack

Starry de-SISE-iss.


5 posted on 07/08/2019 3:43:43 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: Jacquerie
So Stare Decisis is used as justification to rule in a way which is clearly contrary to the written Constitution of the United States? Bizzaro ….
6 posted on 07/08/2019 3:55:18 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522

But only those decisions that leftists approve of are subject to stare decisis.


7 posted on 07/08/2019 3:59:20 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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But only those decisions that leftists approve of are subject to stare decisis.

Exactly. Stare Decisis is a leftward ratchet.

8 posted on 07/08/2019 5:16:23 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Jacquerie

BTTT


9 posted on 07/08/2019 5:26:24 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (Chuck Schumer--giving pond scum everywhere a bad name.)
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To: Ken522

Someone more knowledgeable about US courts can clarify- but I think that in the US the shift to case law happened in the 1800s. Under that change a crap ruling by a higher court could become a controlling precedent.....?
Am I even close?


10 posted on 07/08/2019 5:38:05 AM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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Dred Scott was Stare Decisis


11 posted on 07/08/2019 5:42:49 AM PDT by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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To: Jacquerie

Plessy v. Ferguson was in place for decades because of stare decisis, was it not?


12 posted on 07/08/2019 5:53:52 AM PDT by tellw (ed)
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To: tellw

Hmmm. I’m not sure.


13 posted on 07/08/2019 6:05:54 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Ken522

Yes, and Thomas and probably the other conservatives have had enough of it.

Roe must go. Oh, and overturning Wickard v. Filburn would immediately crash the unconstitutional Administrative State.


14 posted on 07/08/2019 6:09:35 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: TalBlack
Video: Stare Decisis

The E in Stare is voiced as the letter E. So Stare E Decisis.

15 posted on 07/08/2019 7:25:51 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Jacquerie

Just another Political pick and choose Decision making process.

If it was what they say it was we would still have Separate but Equal Laws on the Books.

Liberals use it as a Litmus Test up to the moment overriding an Unconstitutional Ruling works against them. Roe v Wade anyone?

When the SCOTUS reverses itself and decides that Firearm Ownership is not an individual Right, this Stare Decisis argument will be null and void.

I liken it to the Popular Vote movement to replace the Electoral College. As soon as a Republican wins the Popular Vote the Illegal State Popular Vote Compact will shrivel up and die.


16 posted on 07/08/2019 7:42:20 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Socialism is a gateway Ideology.)
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My candidate for a precedent to be overturned is New York Times v. Sullivan. A unanimous decision by the Warren Court - but it is bad law.

In Sullivan SCOTUS held that judges can’t sue for libel, and politicians can do so, but only theoretically, not as a practical matter.

SCOTUS made that decision on the basis of an idiosyncratic case, and in a bygone (1964) era of 3 networks and belief in the objectivity of journalism. Not before SCOTUS in Sullivan were facts such as

  1. journalism was then, and is now, monopolistic. “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion,” wrote Adam Smith in 1778, " but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.” Under the aegis of the wire services, especially the AP, all major US journalism has been "meeting together,” virtually, since before the Civil War.

  2. The self-promoting propaganda campaign of journalism, promoting the conceit that 'journalism is objective’ is precisely "a conspiracy against the public” which produces ideologically homogeneous journalism.

  3. For commercial reasons, journalism promotes bad news, which promotes cynicism towards society and naiveté towards the "antidote for all society’s ills," government.

  4. Politicians who go along and get along with the ideological slant of journalism have an advantage over those who do not. Naturally, anyone with political ambition and without scruples against socialism will go along with journalism - and, consequently, get along with journalism. They will be flattered with labels such as “Liberal" and “Progressive." They will never be libeled.

  5. ”The freedom of the press” referred to in the First Amendment is freedom within existing limits on libel and pornography. The First Amendment - indeed, the Bill of Rights as a whole - was crafted precisely to prevent changes in government’s respect for the rights of the people (and the rights of the states). The right to sue for libel is clearly an unenumerated right of the sort referenced in the Ninth Amendment.
So while the Warren Court was, in Sullivan, waxing enthusiastic about its virtuous protection of freedom of the press, it trampled on the rights of non-socialist politicians to protect their own reputations in court. The Republican Party in general, and Steve Scalise in particular, should have been given their day in court to vindicate their rights to their own earned reputations. To think otherwise is to countenance appeals to the sword. Precisely what the Bible says government exists to control.

17 posted on 07/08/2019 7:49:58 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Socialism is cynicism directed towards society and - correspondingly - naivete towards government.)
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To: TalBlack

star - eh - deh - SEE - sis

(this is correct. Got it from a Constitutional lawyer)


18 posted on 07/08/2019 11:01:26 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. --Douglas MacArthur)
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To: mindburglar

That’s the Lawyer Latin pronunciation.
Ecclesiastical would be STAH-ray de-CHEE-sis
Classical: STAH-ray de-KEE-sis


19 posted on 07/08/2019 11:23:11 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Agree, and IIRC, didn’t Thomas or another justice indicate an interest in revisiting Sullivan?


20 posted on 07/08/2019 11:49:17 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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