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College Writing Courses Are in Trouble, But This Isn’t the Solution
James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal ^ | May 1, 2019 | Nan Miller

Posted on 05/01/2019 5:45:27 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Freshman composition occupies a unique position in a college curriculum. It is the only class required of about 90 percent of enrollees whose diverse aptitudes and prior writing experience present a challenge for instructors every semester.

In Why They Can’t Write, instructor John Warner of the College of Charleston proposes a course he says will minimize the challenge for instructors and have students writing “clearly, persuasively, even beautifully” by semester’s end. His “dream” is to have his course “adopted in every classroom across the country,” but this classroom veteran hopes that the Warner model stays just that—a dream.

Before I say why Warner’s approach raises concerns, I’ll note that there is much to admire in his attitude toward teaching composition. A Yale professor once called the job “a torture to body and soul,” but 20 years in the classroom have not dampened Warner’s enthusiasm for teaching or his commitment to students, who may experience “overwhelming anxiety” during their college years. No other class requires as much one-on-one student/teacher interaction, and instructors who take an interest in students out of class will indeed boost their in-class performance.

Warner is also forthright about the commitment students must make if they are to improve their writing. He tells students that “writing is difficult, that it takes many drafts to realize a finished product, and that you’re never going to be as good as you wish.” He adds that writing well will “deliver lasting pleasure and knowledge” to students who do the hard work.

Prior to the mid-1980s, composition students followed a strict formula that treated writing as the “product” of an assigned topic, a due date, and a grade. Then came a new breed of scholars known as “composition theorists” who redefined writing as a “process” done in stages—planning, prewriting, drafting and revising.

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To: aspasia

Must use she for him! Now that’s prescriptive!


It certainly is in British Columbia. The Supreme Court there ruled a father could be jailed for referring to his ‘transitioning’ daughter as ‘he,’ even in the privacy of their own home.


41 posted on 05/01/2019 7:20:47 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Tell em what you’re gonna tell em. (and why they care about it)
Tell em.
Tell em what you told em

If the reader is busy you will have to hook them in that first paragraph. Decision makers in the real world will not finish reading if they are not hooked and someone else will get their proposal funded.


42 posted on 05/01/2019 7:22:20 AM PDT by Agatsu77
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To: reaganaut1

college writing isnt what it used to be:

My daughter took a college writing course at USM during her Junior year in Highschool. The readings were all fraught with feminist anger and victim ideology, written in the most turgid style. I worked with my daughter to decipher the text of the handouts, and to find some connections with the questions. It took me a while to realize that the instructor’s questions were a misreading of the texts she assigned. No practice in college writing actually happened in the course. It was all victimhood and hate propaganda. Instead I taught her how to string the correct words together to ensure she was hitting all the victimhood and rage necessities for the instructors emotional well-being. It became a homeschool education in how to recognize and respond to this political correctness. She was never in jeopardy of receive less than an A anyhow. In today’s vernacular, her brown skin privileged her, although I didn’t tell her that.

My daughter was chased by the English department that was losing students during this time . She was highly praised for her writing and it was a heady experience to have these profs taking her out and telling her of the promise she had as an English feminist write. I homeschooled her, and knew her talents and her significant limitations as a writer. Although her head was momentarily turned, she eventually, with discussion came to see that the profs in English wanted the black student for numbers and for the “diversity” she provided for she was the right color. Fools.

I spoke to a friend who ran a different but related humanities department about the content and the lack of teaching in the courses and she admitted that college writing was seen as an introduction to “different ideas” for the students. IOW propaganda. The friend was quite taken aback that I would find it wrong to sell a class on College Writing which actually a class on Victim Studies.


43 posted on 05/01/2019 7:22:57 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: sparklite2

I worked with an English major. He was of the mind that language is always evolving. I just think it’s laziness.


44 posted on 05/01/2019 7:24:37 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says)
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To: reaganaut1

Our daughter, special, no HS diploma, writes beautifully.


45 posted on 05/01/2019 7:27:07 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: _Jim

lay down as much BS in as flowery language as I could muster,


I find word choice to be a zero sum game with communicating. The more precisely you want to describe something, you increasingly use words outside of the common spoken vocabulary. The chance of baffling the reader, ie , failing to communicate, grows with precision.

So you use a dumbed down vocabulary that loses information in the resulting ambiguity. It is a balancing act. What you call flowery language, in the hands of a serious writer, is an attempt to pin point something. Sometimes the magic works, sometimes it doesn’t. Know your audience. And if your audience is too broad, or you don’t know them, the average compression level in the US, is, sadly, at fifth grade level so that’s what you use.


46 posted on 05/01/2019 7:30:20 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Chickensoup

Well yes, the left has co-opted the English department. I’m beginning to think what is required is a conversion to rationality so that writing well makes sense again.


47 posted on 05/01/2019 7:31:20 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: reaganaut1

Total claptrap that perfectly demonstrates what is wrong with education today.


48 posted on 05/01/2019 7:31:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: aquila48

You may be on to something...


49 posted on 05/01/2019 7:32:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Of course, there are other types of business writing beyond one-page reports.

But concise is always good.


50 posted on 05/01/2019 7:33:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ClearCase_guy

In order to write clearly, you need to think clearly.


That is so true, as is the reverse. I find myself turning to writing almost every time I am angry or perplexed over something I don’t understand. The process of writing my thoughts and editing my writing over and over to make it more concise will often help me to understand why I am confused or angry and give me a clear plan of resolution.

I think what John Warner is doing is akin to moral relativity and cultural relativity. In his case, it is grammar relativity. Standards based on how an individual “feels” never work. Without absolutes, our society will drift into an unrecognizable state.


51 posted on 05/01/2019 7:33:36 AM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: Puppage

I have masters degrees in electrical and nuclear engineering and a graduate certificate in National Security policy. I really had to learn to write after I graduated with the MS degrees. At least way back then in the 70s sentence structure was still taught.
During the grad cert program we had to write a 15 page paper. After fixing all the problems we had to turn that into a 4 page summary. When that was all fixed we had to turn it into a 1 page decision document double spaced. Complete with all the positions and arguments and a decision choice and why. This was a 1 month compressed complete semester (approximately 1 normal week per daily 3 hour class).
One of the most difficult things I ever had to do but it taught me a lot. Too bad this took place 25 years after I got the first graduate degree. It was very useful the last 10 years of my career.
All students should have to do something similar.


52 posted on 05/01/2019 7:37:56 AM PDT by Agatsu77
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To: Agatsu77

Wow, that’s very interesting. I recall in grade school having to diagram a sentence. Kind of like doing long division, but with words. I am sure that’s no longer taught.


53 posted on 05/01/2019 7:40:47 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to says)
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To: Vermont Lt

“Cavalry” University in Vermont. It must be NORWICH!

Mass Maritime is also a fine college. And yes seagoing marine engineers make good money. We are also finding that our freshly minted engineering graduates working in power plants and paper mills in New England are making almost as much and they are home every night.


54 posted on 05/01/2019 7:51:28 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: SMARTY

When I send messages to them, I have to write like ‘See Spot run.’-to make sure they understand.


I find the same thing with the public in general. I don’t know if the problem is poor reading comprehension or brief attention span. It might also be because so many younger adults have grown up with “text speak” and didn’t develop the skill of putting their thoughts into complete sentences. That was even worse with keypad texting.


55 posted on 05/01/2019 7:53:50 AM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: pepsionice

It’s not strange that this was creeping up on us from start of the George Bush Senior in the late 80’s and all throughout the 90’s.

The root cause was computers and school systems that didn’t know how to integrate them into the classroom/curriculum. They just knew they needed them and that the kids should have access to one at home. That’s the death of English composition and general penmanship.


56 posted on 05/01/2019 7:55:15 AM PDT by Fhios
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To: sparklite2

re: “I find word choice to be a zero sum game with communicating. The more precisely you want to describe something, you increasingly use words outside of the common spoken vocabulary. The chance of baffling the reader, ie , failing to communicate, grows with precision.”

I have, and have never had a problem with technical writing.

It is “composition”, so-called “creative writing”, going on and on about some subject which I care not a whit about (SUCH as may be assigned in said classes) where I had trouble in finding an angle from which I felt compelled to write.

Had I approached it in purely BS, I-could-give-a-care mood, I would have had much more success in those early years. The BIG problem is overcoming a “writer’s block” to subject in which I had at the time ZERO interest.

Give me a technical subject, and it’s a whole ‘nother story ... the engineer/STEM mindset tends to ignore, discard, regard with little value just plain-out, “writing” for writing’s sake. We tend to have more on the mind than the ‘flavor of the day’.


57 posted on 05/01/2019 7:58:25 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: aspasia

Well yes, the left has co-opted the English department.


So true. My twins are taking English dual credit courses this year through the community college and the professors are SJW tools. The reading they assign is always in line with some liberal agenda and the analysis writing they expect back has to fit the same agenda. Critical thinking is a joke, unless of course you “think” exactly as they tell you to.

It is not English, it is Propaganda 101.


58 posted on 05/01/2019 8:03:58 AM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: Puppage

I was in junior high when diagramming was dropped.
That would be around 1956.


59 posted on 05/01/2019 8:08:43 AM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: sparklite2

re: “I was in junior high when diagramming was dropped.”

Public school?

Parochial school carried that on into my grade school years, a decade later.


60 posted on 05/01/2019 8:19:12 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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