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Vanity/Opinion - Let's Face it, The MSM beat Us in 2018
FreeRepublic | 11/10/2018 | TwelveOfTwenty

Posted on 11/10/2018 7:18:30 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty

First, congratulations to the MSM in your election victory in 2018. We have a President who is bringing manufacturing back, renegotiating ridiculously unfair trade deals, cracking down on human trafficking, and rebuilding our military, yet you managed to convince the American people to vote against him in 2018. The Democrats couldn't have paid for better advertising than they got from you for free.

I have as little love for the MSM as anyone else at this forum, but facts are facts. The MSM succeeded in making the Republicans own the problems that Democrats are guilty of, or over outright false reporting.

Russia? Are rebuilding our manufacturing, infrastructure, military, and oil production what Putin wants from an American President? If you want Russian collusion, how about "I'll have more flexibility after I'm re-elected" and the Uranium deal?

Crackdown on immigration? It's a crackdown on illegal immigration.

Split families? Several times as many illegal immigrant families were split under Obama, and hundreds of thousands of families have been split as a result of the high incarceration rates in Democrat run cities across the nation.

Minorities are less safe because of Trump? Trump is inciting crimes and violence against minorities? There is no more dangerous a place for minorities than Democrat run cities.

Kavanaugh? Every accusation got full media attention as if they were already proven true, but when two of the accusers admitted they lied or changed their story, crickets.

The MSM even managed to pull a switch without anyone noticing. Remember how it was the Democrats who supposedly stood up for the American worker while the Republicans were for free trade? Now that President Trump is bringing manufacturing back and renegotiating the trade deals the Democrats used to condemn, all of a sudden the MSM is warning of the economic hardships we will suffer over these "trade wars" he has started. The fact that the economy has continued to improve is an inconvenient truth they successfully covered up.

Yes, the MSM succeeded in making our side own these issues in the eyes of the voters. We can try to console ourselves by saying the Democrats under performed in an off year, but that's like saying the doctor telling the patient he has two weeks to live is a victory because the patient thought he only had one week.

We can post until 2020 about how biased the MSM is, but true as that is it won't change anything. We managed to counter them in 2004 and 2016, but that's going to have to be a full time job if we're going to prevent the Democrats from completing their takeover in 2020.

Just my humble opinion.


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To: mrsmith
The Council of Foreign Relations admits they want a [liberal] New World Order.

The Council of Foreign Relations is actively looking for a leaders for their [liberal] New World Order.

Is Emmanuel Macron the one to restore the liberal world order?

21 posted on 11/10/2018 8:01:16 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

With the help of those that are not bright enough to see through the lies being foisted upon them. Guess I could print up some more bridge deeds to sell.


22 posted on 11/10/2018 8:03:58 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
No, "the People" vote for what they want, hence choose their fate.

There are plenty of alternatives to the MSM, their ratings and subscription rates prove that, including the Comedy Central crap.

Also, because of tech and the internet, "the People" are more informed than ever.

No excuses, the people want gibsmedats in many forms that is gift wrapped by obscene taxes, entitled "compound interest" (Social Security, Public pensions, and Medicaid/Medicare), and massive irresponsible borrowing way over budget.
23 posted on 11/10/2018 8:11:56 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Crackdown on immigration? It's a crackdown on illegal immigration.

Corrupt jerks in 'the press' know the truth - they're just in on the scam with democrats to hoodwink citizens who are fools.

24 posted on 11/10/2018 8:22:52 AM PST by GOPJ (Watch this for our survival: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

If by “us” you mean all you defeatist, wailing, sky-is-falling, nervous ninnies; then you are only half right. You are defeated, but not by the MSM. You defeated yourselves. I’m not defeated, Trump’s not defeated, nor are millions of others who see progress and hope. Drink some tea, get of the internet and start lunching your small life in your small little place away from others. You are diseased and infectious, and the bug you are carrying is pure evil. Try to avoid infecting the rest of us. Had I been clear?


25 posted on 11/10/2018 8:53:47 AM PST by mongrel
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To: mongrel
Did you actually read my post? I never said we were defeated in the final sense that you've framed my comments, but only that they beat us in 2018.

The first step in coming back from any loss is identifying why you lost. I would expect my final comments on this post to have made that clear.

There are others on the thread who don't agree with my conclusions, and that's fine. Can we a least work on winning in 2020 without attacking each other?

26 posted on 11/10/2018 9:01:38 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: yesthatjallen
Woe to anyone on this forum who said, 'let's not count our chickens before they hatch'.

I see what you mean.

27 posted on 11/10/2018 9:02:37 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Optimism requires WORK.

Nobody buys, “You CAN’T Improve Yourself” books.


28 posted on 11/10/2018 9:14:22 AM PST by gaijin
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

You Kids sure fold up early, already stating your surrender before the battle even starts...

The game is on already and in progress, and you all seem to be curled up in a fetal ball or worse you are members of the opposition here trying to sow seeds of discord

Take you whining elsewhere, we have this site FREE REPUBLIC as a symbol of Freedom from tyrrany as my ancestors fought for. Get in the fight or get off the field

Sic Semper Tyrranis, you are for US or against US, there is no middle ground!


29 posted on 11/10/2018 9:18:50 AM PST by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: 100American
You Kids sure fold up early, already stating your surrender before the battle even starts...

Did you actually read my post either? I never said anything about folding up.

As I explained to another poster, the first step in coming back is understanding why you lost. We have two years to figure this out.

If you disagree with my conclusions then fine. Not everyone does. But please, don't go falsely accusing me of something I never said.

30 posted on 11/10/2018 9:22:13 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

The media along with their disrespect and straightforward lying has done tremendous damage to the country even with POTUS fighting back. It is evidenced by all the organized protests across the county of “Protect Mueller”, all the name calling or labeling the POTUS racist, etc, voter fraud, and permitted illegal immigration to name just a few things.

Also, the media lets democrats get away with, among other things, lying. It boggles my mind how most of the media, democrats, certain talking heads, can lie with a straight face continually, all the while there is a lot of the population that believe it all and are incapable of being critical thinkers.

I’ll stop here, although I could go on and on.

Unfortunately, there’s not much that’s going to change until conservatives/ Republicans get organized across the country and develop a plan going forward.

In your post there are several points that the Republican party could easily turn into ads and they should start them now, but I’m not sure they know how to go on the offensive.


31 posted on 11/10/2018 9:22:48 AM PST by crager (I went to look for myself and if I happen to return while I'm gone tell me to wait.)
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To: Toespi
Oh Jesus, cry me a river all of you lilly-livered, weak kneed, nervous nellies. Have you not heard of the alternative media? Where do you think the huge crowds come from that fill the Trump arenas? The MSM is a joke and you just need to stop watching it. It's a propaganda machine that is purposely designed to evoke just the reaction you are expressing today. Wait, you must be French!

Or are you a troll, and is this string and extension of the MSM, designed to bring us down here on Freerepublic?

32 posted on 11/10/2018 9:25:51 AM PST by binreadin
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To: crager
In your post there are several points that the Republican party could easily turn into ads and they should start them now

Great idea. I'll become a regular donor as soon as they start. Anyone with me?

33 posted on 11/10/2018 9:27:03 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
What bothers me is that here in Michigan, the 2018 votes for the Dems was close to what was cast in 2016.

But for the Republicans, we had 500,000 fewer votes than in 2016 and those votes would have given us the win.

I can't figure it out, rallys across the state had thousands in attendance, people here were really fire up.

34 posted on 11/10/2018 9:29:39 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I looked the whole cloth of the thread, and I am tired of those who seem to be caving in already

I did not mean to implicate you as the leader of that band, and the answers are already there just not provided by the MSM like the ending of the consent decree that prevented the GOP from getting involved legally in election disputes

That ended in August and there are a whole new set of rules in this battle that I share to help others to see what is happening and is possible not just laying down

So I apologize to you directly as I did not mean to pin you down, but to rally those in the thread to wake up and fight not slink away

Semper Fidelis...


35 posted on 11/10/2018 9:43:17 AM PST by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I think you are on the right track, but I think the social media crackdown had more effect.


36 posted on 11/10/2018 11:08:06 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Vanity/Opinion - Let's Face it, The MSM beat Us in 2018

The media is the tool of the corrupt behind the scenes power structure of New York/Washington "establishment."

They are our deadliest threat and enemy, and we should be trying to figure a way to drive nails through their kneecaps.

I do not understand why people on our side refuse to recognize the degree of threat that is the existing media power structure. We should be going all out in an effort to break them, and yet all most people do is complain. Nobody suggests giving them some sort of grievous wound in an effort to kill them.

37 posted on 11/10/2018 11:23:57 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The media is the tool of the corrupt behind the scenes power structure of New York/Washington “establishment.”

They are our deadliest threat and enemy, and we should be trying to figure a way to drive nails through their kneecaps.

I do not understand why people on our side refuse to recognize the degree of threat that is the existing media power structure. We should be going all out in an effort to break them, and yet all most people do is complain. Nobody suggests giving them some sort of grievous wound in an effort to kill them.


Agree 100%.

The MSM still writes the narrative every day even though most people don’t trust them.

There is a bifurcated world of information being presented.

The willfully ignorant progressives readily accept the MSM/Leftist propaganda while Conservatives spin their wheels trying to understand how they can be so f**king stupid.

And the Media’s beat goes on. It never stops.

It’s peer pressure, conformity to their ideology by the judgement of the masses of politically correct virtue signaling zombies.


38 posted on 11/10/2018 11:45:01 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: Olog-hai
Only the truly deluded are going to vote for more Antifa.

Many of them have been deluded into thinking that Antifa is a right-wing false flag trying to harm progressives.

39 posted on 11/11/2018 8:29:44 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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And those just voted for more Antifa in earnest.


40 posted on 11/11/2018 8:33:29 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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