Posted on 08/26/2018 2:39:27 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
A Naval base on the Cape of Good Hope would be great for Russia. Still, its an unstable nation that could break into inter tribal Civil War. My money is on the Zulus taking over if it comes to fighting.
Those white farmers are an absolute gold mine for whichever country gets them. Australia, Russia, they should be trying their very best to get them.
White farmers thrive in Zambia years after driven from Zimbabwe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Ym0M31MpE
Aside from enacting the Native Lands Act to seize land from people based on race, and prohibit people to own land based on race, there was the Soweto Massacre were police killed hundreds of school age children.
But aside from murdering kids, taking property, denying voting rights, and prohibiting non-whites from owning some land, the Apartheid government had wonderful democratic principles.
“Can you point to any mass murder perpetrated by the apartheid government?”
The Soweto Massacre.
“I am not aware that sanctioned mass murder was among them.”
Yes, there were mass murders by the Apartheid government.
And both the Apartheid government and the ANC government seized land and displaced people due to their race.
In fact, the Apartheid government denied non whites the right to own some lands.
Now, does seizing land and prohibiting a race of people to own land lead to genocide?
I have a vague recollection of a Soweto uprising (not massacre) and the government reacted to a mob of some 20,000 (?) rioting. I just recall that there was controversy over fatalities, etc. Even then one could not trust the media.
I could easily make a stronger case with quite a good deal more evidence against what the US government has done to Americans in the time since. The 3rd Infantry Division did far worse in Waco, less than half as long ago.
In light of the unfolding reality that yes, given the chance, the S.A.’s black population would not hesitate to eliminate the whites and provide no quarter, the moral question concerning the judgments made in 1976 needs to consider whether those decisions were made in light of the understanding that suppressing the black population was a necessary act of survival and self-defense.
The time-to-live for the white S.A. population can be measured starting from the point of choosing to end Apartheid, so while it is easy to posture and virtual signal about those choices here long after the fact, realize that the act you are condemning was a brick in the dam holding back what we can now see is the unfolding genocide of the whites. It is no longer speculation, it is now a reality we can measure and watch unfold in real time.
Did the white leaders of 1976 know that the extinction of whites in South Africa was 30 years away from the end of Apartheid, and make their decisions in light of that knowledge?
The US military probably kills that many people twice over (possibly a gross underestimate) every day in over 100 countries around the globe in the name of the same mission, security and a future for our people.
Should they not do this, so that in 30 years someone in Norway can titter on about how morally terrible our choices today will have been?
I would suggest that the one-sided impression you may have of the Apartheid regime is due to the narrowness of the factors under consideration, a narrowing which does not match the realities on the ground for the human beings involved. The duration during which that regime resisted full-spectrum international pressure suggests that yes, they were well aware that the end of Apartheid also meant the end of a future for their children.
And now here we are, at the end of the future for their children. Do we feel good about this outcome?
If one starts a riot, justified or not, one can expect casualties.
I have and will condemn both the ANC government and the Apartheid government. Both were are are evil and all people of South Africa do and had a right to survive.
However, all people of South Africa must be able to live under the current framework of their nation as the country will never go back to the Apartheid system.
Reminder to myself: proofread before posting. should be “more than were killed during the Soweto uprising.” Also “under” should be deleted.
The choices are Apartheid under a white regime, or genocide under the ANC.
Your desired option is not on the table and never was. These were the real world options.
By saying “no” to Apartheid you say, inseparably in the same breath, “yes” to a systematic genocide of the whites. The black population was never going to do anything different, putting it in power was a 100% in no uncertain terms guarantee of genocide with the only question being just how fast it would arrive - a question now being resolved.
So yes, you have affirmed your support for genocide even though you didn’t necessarily want it to be part of the package. Ultimately it is clear you feel that the total extinction of the white population is *preferable* to Apartheid, and that the never-could-possibly-come-to-pass cover story of wanting the two populations to live in peace as equals was simply a convenient lie you tell yourself to make you feel better about having supported condemning an entire people to be systematically murdered.
Might as well get the popcorn and enjoy the show you wanted to see.
I see no events that could transpire that would return South Africa to a political system where a racial minority held the lion’s share of the political power.
Thus, the political and economic structure that exists today in South Africa will continue to exist, and currently South Africa has a GDP that is almost as strong in GDP as Israel. Moreover, the South African economy has grown since the end of Apartheid.
The current policy of seizing land will not help the South African economy, but for decades under Apartheid, South Africa practiced a policy where land people were denied property rights due to the color of their skin.
South Africa will survive.
For now, America, like it did in the 1980’s should follow a policy of Constructive Engagement with the South African regime.
Funny thing is, that is precisely what they have with our neighbor to the South.
“If one starts a riot, justified or not, one can expect casualties.”
Who gets to determine when a protest becomes a riot?
South Africa is here to stay as will its current political and economic structure.
And for now, South Africa has a major economy.
For now.
But they’ve got their own illegal immigration problem as well.
There are profound problems in South Afirica, but if they were to go back to a white minority rule, they would be internationally alone.
I trade, no investment, no international relations.
They would make old Albania look like Monte Carlo.
With the current regime, South Africa is the 31st largest economy in the world.
Does this constitute a policy set by the government? Or was this a particular incident where excessive force was used?
I am not aware of a policy, written or de facto, whereby whites were given green light to murder blacks in SA.
It also doesn’t matter actually. Apartheid: abolished almost 30 years ago.
The apartheid government was a soft fascist state.
Nothing in this post describes a policy of genocide or democide. It does describe th official oppression the apartheid regime instituted. Very bad stuff...but not genocidal.
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