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1 posted on 02/23/2018 6:40:51 AM PST by davikkm
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Sheesh. He's negotiating.

This is how it's done...and how the Left is defeated.

2 posted on 02/23/2018 6:42:43 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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depending on how this goes, it can make trump a one term president.


3 posted on 02/23/2018 6:43:30 AM PST by bantam
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Trump has suggested a lot of things that, once he has a chance to think them through and discuss with his staff, we never hear of again. This will be another example of that.


4 posted on 02/23/2018 6:43:54 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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No, he is not.


6 posted on 02/23/2018 6:51:24 AM PST by TheStickman (#MAGA all day every day!)
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No, he’s echoing the sentiments of the left.

Makes them calm down..................


7 posted on 02/23/2018 6:52:37 AM PST by Red Badger (The people who call Trump a tyrant are the same people who want the president to confiscate weapons.)
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Well if he is, then so am I. Better background checks and hardening the schools. Nothing wrong with that.


9 posted on 02/23/2018 6:57:29 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (We are getting even more than we voted for!)
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NO, and he is not going to cave. Cut it out.


10 posted on 02/23/2018 6:57:37 AM PST by dforest (Never let a Muslim cut your hair.)
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He is leaning left with his comments, but everybody knows this is the 3rd rail in DC. Nothing substantial will get to his desk and he knows this.


17 posted on 02/23/2018 7:18:27 AM PST by dgbrown
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I think people who are on psychotropic drugs should not have access to guns. However that right should only be suspended until the person achieves stability. Maybe three separate doctors confirming or something like that.


18 posted on 02/23/2018 7:20:36 AM PST by McGavin999 ("The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood."Thomas Jefferson)
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Relax...

All this talk by President Trump about "looking at" raising the age to purchase guns to 21 or expanded background checks is just a smokescreen. He's buying time and playing interference for worried swing/blue state Republicans up for reelection this fall. When the next big news story or "crisis" hits and takes the media's attention away from gun control. Then Trump will drop gun control like a hot potato....

19 posted on 02/23/2018 7:21:06 AM PST by apillar
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“I’ll sign any bill you bring me”...

People still don’t get it.


24 posted on 02/23/2018 7:30:21 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust Sessions. The Great Awakening is at hand...MAGA!)
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This issue is driven by the voters. The American people are caving on gun control. The smart thing to do is to try to stop these incidents short of full fledged gun control. A lot of us were hoping that these incidents would not be repeated but they have been. You can’t just ignore them. I would start with the idea of trying to get control over these mental defectives.


25 posted on 02/23/2018 7:31:24 AM PST by Brilliant
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That’s it. He lost me. Im staying home in 2020. Let Booker and Fauxcahantis win. S/


26 posted on 02/23/2018 7:38:06 AM PST by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative.)
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If “comprehensive background checks” means outlawing private sales, we are heading down the road to de facto registration.


27 posted on 02/23/2018 7:40:18 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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I think he’s just bs’ing around til the furor dies down

Any day now some new atrocity will occur to bump this off the news cycle.


30 posted on 02/23/2018 7:46:10 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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No matter what the President says (and the way Obama behaved), it's got to go through congress.

Call or write you Senators and Representatives and turn up the heat!

33 posted on 02/23/2018 7:49:01 AM PST by grobdriver (BUILD KATE'S WALL!)
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There’s more to it. Understand Trump’s strategy/tactics.

Trump’s killer strategy vs the Left: offer them exactly what they ask for, in a way that makes them say “no” - thus showing they aren’t serious about the issue, and he gets their followers who actually do care about the issue.

Yes, most of us want to take an absolute hard-line stance on these issues. Don’t take the following as me wanting anything less than absolute refusal to give up anything we have.
Trump is a master of progressing where we would just stop & fight. He negotiates, offering things but getting everything.

Bump stocks: they’re not serious combat gear, they’re toys working around the machine gun ban. Few have them. It’s a battle we can lose, but we’ll make the Left pay dearly for it. It’s red meat for the ignorant public to chew on & get bored by. Remember - the BATFE (under Obama!) ruled bump stocks legal and _not_ machineguns; despite Trumps memo to research (nothing more!) banning them, the BATFE will have a very hard time objectively explaining, under current law, how that can be done. A ban will require actual legislation, which is unlikely (A) because of current Congress demographics, and (B) the extreme difficulty of objectively describing a “bump stock” in law given current context. If there’s going to be a fight over a gun category, let it be one that’s hard to lose and minimally problematic if we do.

Background checks: not much can happen here. We already have NICS, which could only be improved by compelling other agencies to contribute information - and they _really_ don’t want to; if they do, the “improvement” will be marginal. Private sales will be a hard sell: huge resistance, and horrible consequences for anyone in the chain of custody committing (even by accident) a paperwork violation; this would be followed by an enormous “F U” and a bazillion trades/sales just to screw up the system from the start. Mental health is the big one: there will be a huge push, UNTIL people realize that this will be an enormous HIPPA violation, there’s no good way to define _which_ mental illnesses warrant “no buy”, doctor-patient privilege is wrecked, and lots of people who genuinely need treatment will refuse it because they won’t know how they’ll be abused by the system.

Arming teachers: he wants to pay those willing to be armed. An acceptable solution, but creates more bureaucracy around gun ownership. The solution SHOULD be “there’s the 2nd Amendment, just let teachers carry”. The key is ending the horrible “gun free zone” law. I think paying teachers will backfire, as “he who pays the piper names the tune”, and schools are already (yes, always) screaming they don’t have enough money. At least here he can back down from “pay them” to “let the capable carry as they see fit”.

So what Trump is doing is taking a stance where he’s reaching Left, commandeering their issues, at which point the issues will either self-destruct (being not viable) or the Left will abandon & scuttle them (being absolutely imperative to oppose Trump, never work with him), or finally break down and actually start working with Trump and abandon their hard-line opposition-over-everything stance.


36 posted on 02/23/2018 7:57:43 AM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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Nope


38 posted on 02/23/2018 8:05:07 AM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 22, 2018


39 posted on 02/23/2018 8:05:26 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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“President Trump tweeted on Thursday morning that the Congress should basically create a national gun registry”

That is absolutely false. Read the tweet in post 39.


40 posted on 02/23/2018 8:06:48 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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