Posted on 02/05/2018 11:50:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
Israel’s education minister said on Monday he was “honoured” Poland had canceled his visit to Warsaw this week because he refused to back down from condemnation of a bill that would outlaw suggesting Poland was complicit in the Holocaust.
Earlier on Monday, Naftali Bennett said he would travel to Poland to discuss the bill, which Israeli officials have said amounts to Holocaust denial. However Poland’s government spokeswoman said there would be no such visit.
“The blood of Polish Jews cries from the ground, and no law will silence it,” Bennett later said in a statement. “The government of Poland cancelled my visit, because I mentioned the crimes of its people. I am honoured.”
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Berlin_Freeper, what is your take on this topic?
I think Poland could raise awareness to their issue without putting people in the slammer.
Poland’s govt needs to be more sensitive or concerning about the long record of Polish anti- semitism. It was horrid and resulted in numerous dead Jews and much suffering. And about the thousands of poles who helped the Nazis murder the Jews. And about those poles who themselves attacked Jewish people who somehow managed to survive the death factories. At the same time, the Israeli minister should recall that those death factories were Put in Poland by Germany. The Poles did not create them. So I say, both “sides” should retreat to their corners and quiet down some. Especially since Poland and Israel have a number of shared interests and are, imho, natural allies that can help each other
The problem seems to be that when countries, Germany in particular, are made to repent for decades, they lose the will to even exist in their present state...which is why they’re quickly transitioning to becoming an Islamic state.
For most of my life I was proud of Germany for forcing their people to accept the truth regarding what they did during WW2, while I was angry with Japan for glossing it over (to say the least).
Now, with hindsight, guess which of the two countries will still exist in its present form in 50 years (barring a new ice age or equivalent)?
So it’s not so clear to me that Germany did the right thing, and so I have some sympathy towards Poland on this, given the German experience.
Has Japan ever paid reparations to China or Korea?
These days, one can hardly keep people out. So yea there is that change.
Germany is the second most popular migration destination in the world, after the United States.According to the Federal Statistical Office of Germany in 2012, 92% of residents (73.9 million) in Germany had German citizenship,[80] with 80% of the population being Germans (64.7 million) having no immigrant background. Of the 20% (16.3 million) people with immigrant background, 3.0 million (3.7%) had Turkish, 1.5 million (1.9%) Polish, 1.2 million (1.5%) Russian and 0.85 million (0.9%) Italian background.[81]
Japan has a lot of unease underneath the surface hence their low birth rates and impending demographic crisis. Not to mention high suicide rate. And the economy is less vibrant than Germany’s. And South Korea has outpaced them in tech sector.
I am tired of the Putinist sensationalism of the Muslim issue. Russia has the worst birth rates of all, largest Muslim population Europe, and the Muslims there do NOT have a birth rate problem. (Or alcoholism, or HIV, or abortion, or the mortality issues which are getting better but have ravaged ethnic Russians for decades.)
And you can bet ethnic Russia’s problem has a whole hell of a lot to do with properly confronting the traumas of their past and addressing Soviet atrocities.
Today Stalin is popular again. Russia’s economy is in stagnation. And Putin is set to be ruled longer than even Stalin was with no semblance of any functioning legal or democratic apparatuses/institutions to leave behind as a legacy.
Not* properly addressing the past i mean.
This contention between Israel and Poland is bullshit. Who the Hell stirred this gratuitous pot?
I don’t know what Russia has to do with my comment...that’s YOUR PROBLEM.
Keeping who out? OF COURSE people from the Middle East will take an open door to Germany...just as they would to US, or Canada. Doesn’t mean shit. All it means is that they are a WELFARE STATE, couple with a ripe takeover target.
ANY Western country that opens its borders will get FLOODED by the Third World, nothing special about Germany.
“Has Japan ever paid reparations to China or Korea?”
I don’t care if they do or don’t, and I’m well aware of just what Japan was during WW2. In my late teens, I visited the Air Force Museum in Dayton. They had a display comparing ‘trinkets’ recovered from Americans who were German POWs and Americans who were Japanese POWs (I think it’s still there - I saw it again 15 years ago). I’m having trouble typing now because I’m literally crying about what I saw regarding how the Japanese treated our POWs - the Germans actually, for much of WW2, were providing dental care to American POWs (it only got bad for them towards the end, understandable) - the Japanese were literally cut limbs off Americans to feed themselves (and thereby keeping what was left of our prisoners from ‘spoiling’ until they got around to eating it. Not too long ago, I saw a similar display in Thailand (River Kwai).
So, I don’t take it lightly when I say that JAPAN WAS RIGHT to protect their national culture, even considering what they did. They are now a cohesive, modern, country with a near-zero crime rate. Yes, in a perfect world, we would beat Japan down as we did with Germany.
But Germany is a DOOMED COUNTRY, with the best outcome being a civil war that makes the holocaust look like a walk in the park. Most other Western European countries are in the same boat.
(I’m drying out now, thankfully)
Well put.
Just to add a bit. The display at Wright-Patt showed what was recovered from our POWs in Germany - and it was clear that they were living pretty well, certainly withing Geneva Convention standards (keep in mind these are Air Force POWs, so the Germans likely wanted their POWs treated decently too). It’s too long ago, so I don’t remember just what I saw, other than it showed they were treated decently, not much different than Hogan’s Heroes, from what I remember. Of course the Germans had the other little issue of how they treated many of their own people and conquered people - so this decent treatment wasn’t going help them much there (and shouldn’t have).
For the Japanese, you’d see a little stick, a scrap of paper, maybe some tube. The text at the display made it clear that while it wasn’t much, it was ALL THEY HAD to themselves - it was that bad. The comparison was night and day.
Open borders? Germany has an open door with other EU members (with restriction against receiving welfare), not to the third world. Unlike President Trump, who wants to make 1.8 million illegal “Dreamers” American citizens... the war refugees are not citizens and can legally be shipped back to their country once it is stable whether they like it or not. Which has begun already with refugees from Afghanistan.
War refugees I might add, that were created by US incompetence in the Middle East (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria). I am sure Germany would say you are welcome if ever a thankless slob would thank them for their humanity.
“Open borders? Germany has an open door with other EU members (with restriction against receiving welfare), not to the third world.”
Tell that to the 2 MILLION who see it TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Do you REALLY think they’ll be sent home, that Merkel or any other ‘mainstream’ party will even attempt that? And do you REALLY believe that they’ll just get on airplanes voluntarily - when they have a FREE RIDE and a direct path to conquest of the Infidel. DREAM ON!!!
You guys will have to FORCE them out, and that means a bloodbath - whether or not you guys are ready to accept that doesn’t matter - it is what happens when you INVITE MILLIONS of Third World types with ALIEN CULTURES (most NOT from war zones, by the way).
So, again, I know and follow Japan’s ‘demographic winter’, but the Japanese won’t need a BLOODBATH to keep control of their country - Germany, and most of Western Europe will. The BIG QUESTION is whether they’re ready to do what’s necessary.
I still say its about Poland’s attitude towards the “migrants”, its refusal to buckle under to the EU and its insistence that Poland take “migrants” according to a quota system.
Israel is working in concert with the EU forces trying to control Poland and its religious, conservative government.
I’m still pro-Israel, I’m just not pro-Israeli hostility to Poland.
I don’t think laws should be passed punishing people for expressing their views and that includes even Holocaust denial.
In that respect and only in that respect do I disapprove of what Poland did.
You guys will have to FORCE them out, and that means a bloodbath […]I think that abolishing social welfare for foreign parasites should suffice. They will move on to another host. Maybe Sweden or something.
No.
However, the Chinese were satisfied when a Leading General toured Hiroshima and Nagasaki, commenting, “You Americans do good work.” Thus ended Chinese plans to exterminate the Japanese.
From the “Rape of Nanking”.
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