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1 posted on 02/05/2018 11:50:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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Berlin_Freeper, what is your take on this topic?


2 posted on 02/05/2018 11:56:02 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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Poland’s govt needs to be more sensitive or concerning about the long record of Polish anti- semitism. It was horrid and resulted in numerous dead Jews and much suffering. And about the thousands of poles who helped the Nazis murder the Jews. And about those poles who themselves attacked Jewish people who somehow managed to survive the death factories. At the same time, the Israeli minister should recall that those death factories were Put in Poland by Germany. The Poles did not create them. So I say, both “sides” should retreat to their corners and quiet down some. Especially since Poland and Israel have a number of shared interests and are, imho, natural allies that can help each other


4 posted on 02/06/2018 12:08:43 AM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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This contention between Israel and Poland is bullshit. Who the Hell stirred this gratuitous pot?


10 posted on 02/06/2018 12:53:53 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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The Polish Bill as presented would criminalize people condemning Poles complicit in the Holocaust. Speaking about the Jedwabne pogrom, where Polish police and militia killed 340 Jews before the SS could participate would a crime. Speaking of the large number of Polish citizens (ethnic Poles, Ukrainians...) who killed or denounced Jews as collaborators out of greed, antisemitism, personal animus, or old personal grievances might be a crime. Speaking of the murder of thousands of Jewish Holocaust survivors from 1944 to 1945 by Poles, who had stolen their property, culminating in the Kielce pogrom would be a crime. This isn't hysteria. Historians have been fined or imprisoned for speaking on collaboration in Lithuania and Ukraine. The malicious elements of the bill were protected by the move to force people to stop using the slur "Polish Concentration Camps."

I happen to agree. Calling them Polish based on location (and there were those in other countries) is intentionally misleading, and given the fact that 20.5% of Polish citizens murdered in the Holocaust were not Jews, this false construction borders on Holocaust denial. It is as absurd, obscene, and misleading as to call them "Jewish Concentration Camps" based on the ethnic identity of most victims. Similarly, Poles have every right to be angry when people speak of Poland being complicit int he Holocaust. The antisemitic junta running Poland limited Jewish enrollment in universities and took other steps to limit economic prospects of Jews. But they never killed Jews. There was no collaborationist Polish government. The Nazis wanted to destroy Poland and liquidated Polish leaders, intelligentsia, and religious leaders. Moreover, the Polish Home Army executed Polish collaborators, including those who had participated in the Holocaust.

I think this legislation was a plot by Polish antisemites to use a real issue (the mislabeling of camps and lies about Poland, as opposed to the truth about groups of Poles) to both revise Hostory and shift blame away from Polish collaborators, and to make modern Poles feel taht Israel and Jews are punishing and oppressing them. And Jewish leadership decided to disprove the myth of Jewish intelligence and fall for an obvious trap. The solution was easy. Stop using the false term "Polish Concentration Camps" and denounce a law that protects Polish collaborators. And denounce those pushing this part of the law as traitors to Poland.

29 posted on 02/06/2018 6:23:52 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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