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To: dayglored; PAR35

No because years ago I said macs were secure by obscurity and then mocked by swordmaker and others who worshiped apple.

Now that want to act like our never happened. They can apologize and admit that we’re completely wrong and I was right. Then I’m let it go.


52 posted on 11/28/2017 8:44:34 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

Damn sleepy eyes and autocorrect. I fix it tomorrow to make sense... Good night all


55 posted on 11/28/2017 8:47:53 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
> No because years ago I said macs were secure by obscurity and then mocked by swordmaker and others who worshiped apple. Now that want to act like our never happened. They can apologize and admit that we’re completely wrong and I was right. Then I’m let it go.

OS X's security is by design, not obscurity. Learn something about Unix, it'll do ya good.

What HAS changed is that the Mac's rise in popularity made it a better target for malware that attacks the USER -- Trojans and so forth. Those aren't attacking the operating system. They work through the weak link -- the user.

So your premise is flawed. The loss of Mac obscurity caused a huge rise in malware that could attack Mac users, as it had been attacking Windows users for decades. But (with a few notable exceptions, like the one that is the topic of this thread), OS X is still one of the most secure operating systems in use, exceeded only by pure Unix and Linux, which still benefit from an obscurity of which Apple only has vague memories.

So don't hold your breath for an apology from the Apple fans. They weren't "completely wrong", and you were only partly right.

Be careful now, your face is starting to turn blue... :-)

57 posted on 11/28/2017 8:54:23 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: for-q-clinton; dayglored; grey_whiskers
No because years ago I said Macs were secure by obscurity and then mocked by swordmaker and others who worshiped apple.

Now that want to act like our never happened. They can apologize and admit that we’re completely wrong and I was right. Then I’m let it go.

It was not true then and it is even less true now. You are not going to get an apology for your wrong conclusions then and your smugness claims we were wrong then. OSX/macOS has been in the wild essentially since 1998 when it was released first as a server version and there are STILL ZERO viable computer viruses for it twenty years later. . . and you are still singing the same hackneyed tune about security by obscurity you were singing way back then.

On the internet, nothing is obscure; everything is as close as next door, and as easy to find because everything is connected. In 2004, there were 12,000 PCs that were vulnerable to the Witty Worm spread all over the world, and within 3 ½ minutes 750 vulnerable PCs had been infected, and all 12,000 were infected within 45 minutes, no matter where they were in the world. THOSE computers were obscure. . . but they were easily infected by a simple virus for which the defense had ALREADY been created six months before it was created!

You've been told this all before, yet you continue to spout your canard about Macs that FAR OUTNUMBER those vulnerable PCs that were hit by the Witty Worm. . . which were all protected by third-party antivirus programs. Viruses were written for devices that had fewer than 20 vulnerable devices in the world. . . but YOU think that someone somewhere is not interested in writing malware that can't get into over 150,000,000 or more Macs that are mostly running bare naked of ANY ANTIVIRUS at all except what Apple builds into its operating system. You are delusional in your Apple user hatred because we tell you the truth which YOU can't handle.

The one single MacBot supposedly found in the wild about eight years ago, claiming to involve over 600,000 Macs which kept shrinking as more and more people reported NOT finding the Trojan JAVA script infected Macs, turned out to be a hoax perpetrated by a Russian Antivirus vendor wanting to sell a new Mac antivirus for business use. Two years later the same company claimed to have found another MacBot, this time of only 20,000 Mac, when they started to sell their consumer level anti-virus. . . but it too was a hoax.

In NEITHER case were any members of these MacBots ever found in the wild... even ones the Russian company claimed whose UUID matched as being in the bots, were found. In fact, the list of numbers in some instances belonged to Macs that had yet to be sold, and many had not yet been manufactured! The list of "Infected computers" was bogus. Two of the listed UUIDs supposedly infected Macs were in my office. . . but to be infected they had to have JAVA installed; but neither of the computers in my office had ever had JAVA installed, nor was there any sign of the "Infection."

61 posted on 11/28/2017 11:06:16 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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