If it is true, Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday, dear Lord Jesus!
A ping and possibly a “merry Christmas”...
Herod the Great died in 4 B.C. If the story that he tried to have Jesus killed is true, then Jesus could not have been born in 3 B.C.
Perhaps the better question to ask is how the 25th got into the big discussion...being the Winter Solstice. Somewhere along the last thirty years of Emperor Augustus (63 BC to 14 AD), this was a festive period created where gifts were exchanged, caged birds were given as gifts, candles were lit, and the general dress code was relaxed.
I think the Catholic Church attached itself to the festival and just linked up the birthday to fit Solstice, and continue the fest period.
Thanks, Friend, it looks like a great find and will require fresh reading in the morning hours. So bookmark this one. I’m looking forward to going through it.
Have fun with this if you want, but WHO CARES?
Inconsequential. (the “BIRTH”, that is) It was a normal everyday birth.
“The birth of Jesus Christ is one of the most significant events in all of history”
Not really.
Now His resurrection.... THAT’S the most significant event in all of history.
It doesn’t matter.
Great article. But just one rather important point. “This man is the Savior, the Redeemer, the Liberator, the Messiah, the Second Adam, and the Conqueror over sin and death.” Actually, Christ is not the SECOND ADAM. He is the LAST Adam. But he is the Second MAN. Adam was the first man, and obviously the first Adam. We all descended from him. Christ is the Last Adam, and the Second Man. From Adam to Christ, all are sinners, eternally doomed. But with the advent of the Redeemer, the Last Adam and the Second Man; No longer is man doomed for eternity. From that point on, Eternal Salvation is available to all.
Its history of Christmas is pure Wiccan/atheist horse hockey.
The pagan holiday of In Sol Invictus was instituted AFTER Christmas became a popular holiday, to compete with Christmas as a pagan holiday. That’s the Roman holiday that’s on Dec. 25th.
The pagan holiday Saturnalia has nothing to do with the rebirth of the sun, and was celebrated on Dec. 17th.
The date of Christmas is the product of two different attempts to guess at the date, which are independent of each other, but which agree.
Good Friday was calculated to have occurred on March 25. There was a belief that great prophets were killed on the day they were conceived. If so, Jesus’ conception into Heaven would be on the day he was conceived into the worldly realm: March 25. If conceived on March 25, it was reasoned, he would be born on December 25.
December was the date most closely approximating the Jewish feast of the Dedication of the Temple. This feast fell on the 25th, so Christmas was placed on the 25th. Why would Jesus be born on the Feast of the Dedication of the Temple? Because on that day, the Spirit of the Living God was revealed within the Temple.
The origin of the Feast of the Dedication of the Temple, and its date, are not in the Protestant bible. But we know Jesus observed it (”Jesus was in Jerusalem as it was the Feast of the Dedication”); And it was on this day that he self-identified with the eternal Temple. (”Destroy this temple, and I will raise it up in three days.”)
If Jesus were conceived, rather than born, on the Feast of the Dedication, the symbolism of that date would still be fulfilled. And that could result in his birthday being close to September 11. On the other hand, if he were conceived on the fourteenth day of the Hebrew year, Passover, that would mean that God began the process of the birth of Jesus on the day he began the creation of the world. Could it be mere coincidence that the festival of the first fruits is fourteen days after the creation of the world, and conception takes place on the fourteenth day of a fertility cycle.
You're absolutely correct but try telling that to a Catholic.
When was the census taken?
Later
It would be about the right time, as Caesar would have taxed an agricultural society in the fall.
I don’t believe you will find a exact Birth date for Christ mentioned in the Bible.
“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—”
Col. 2:16
“One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.”
The greatest blunder was putting Independence Day on July 4th in the summer. That is fire season, at odds with fireworks. It should be in the snowy wintertime.
Therefore, I officially declare Independence Day on December 25th, and Christmas on July 4th.
Get on with rewriting the White Christmas songs which are wassis anyways.
I would respectfully disagree that the bible says that He was born on September 11, Feast of Trumpets.
His Creation and Word does hint that The Word did become Flesh on the 1st Day of one of His months, though.
So the birth on one of the Father’s ‘day of the new moon’ is accurate.
But the Word becoming flesh on the 1st day of the 7th month has some biblical obstacles to jump over.
But a birth a month earlier seems to fall in live with His Word nicely.
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The constellation he writes about, the woman clothed in light, is one more in the sky in less than two weeks. On September 23, 2017, the constellation will return. On the internet and around the world, some Christians are getting very excited because the appearance of this constellation is listed in Revelation 12 as following the Rapture.
The reasons some of us believe that the return of Christ may be near must be quite different from the reasons others predicted in the past. I was unaware of the “Aztec prediction of 2012” and all the fuss of 2015. I never thought I would, in my lifetime, believe it just may come true in my generation. But lately I’ve seen information that stunned me into thinking it might happen in my lifetime and it might be soon.
There are finally “too many” coincidences going on for me to dismiss it without further investigation. I’ll put a few video links below for those who may be interested.
Overview of significance of Sept 23 2017 as possible Revelation 12 sign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV1Vyqp9i5w
If you want to know more about the first vid, the next goes much farther into the layers of interpretation of the sign in the sky. Start at 6 min mark to skip the explanation re Jewish names used and a reading of the relevant versus of Revelations. The speaker overwhelmed me with info - I only stayed in for the discussion of the Zodiac. (I never knew there was a 13th Zodiac sign called “Ophiuchus” but it’s in Wiki)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0-7EmeqM1Q
The first video features an object in the sky that some believe is symbolic of the “Red Dragon.” The first 3 minutes of this next video may be of interest to the curious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhkMP7a0vgE
The above videos are just the tip of the iceberg. While seeking iceberg type videos, one does have to wade through the flat-earthers and other nutty people. But there’s enough raw footage of events going on around the world (in diverse arenas) sand theological discussions to make me wonder.
Two examples:
Two sunsets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=987ksZQgnX4
Two sunrises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chfq7a_Xzm4
Red “object” seen from the camera of the ISS. I’ve probably seen about 50 different videos purporting this object(s) from many different corners of the earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0wRd_FCuDw
Note that this sign is thought to possibly represent the “12th Seal” and that the majority of people following the videos I’ve seen believe a rapture now until Sept. 21 would best meet the specifications in Revelations (all required signs are present) with some focusing most on Jewish calendar events think that the Sept. 21-23 is most likely.
It’s true that date setting is frowned upon and I think posters on this thread point out why - because few are interested in these videos (above) because off all the “false starts” and cry wolf scenarios going on.
Here’s Wiki’s take on this “sign” of Sept. 23
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_12_Sign
One final note, the exact identity of the “stars” in the hair of the woman held one key difference 2000 years ago compared with teh Sept. 23, 2017 version. At Christ’s birth, the name of one of the “stars” in her crown represented “peace” and in September, it’s replaced by Saturn, the “god of war”. I don’t remember the name of the video I saw but it was highly detailed and noted that this year’s specific alignment can only happen once in the history of the universe.
You are very close on the time. Yeshua was born on tishri 15th, not tishri 1. That is the 1st day of sukkot, or booths and was circcumsized on the 8th day or Shemini Atzeret. 8 is the symbol for infinity also. This is demonstrated when the fire circled the 2 halves in a figure 8. His circumcision is a blood covanent for eternity for those who belive in him. The hebrew calendars are lunar and fall at different times on the roman calender. Sukkot are known in christainity as booths, you may understand this to be a “manger” Sukkot is also known as the “feast of nations” where all people are required to once a year come up to Jerusalem. Thats when the romans wanted to collect the most taxes during that time. You can study this time, the key starts with John the immerser and his father Zechariah who belonged to the order of Abijah. you must find out when that group of men served in the temple during the beginning of the year and the end of the year, and other passages. seek the truth and you will find it. It does mater.