Posted on 05/31/2017 5:42:17 AM PDT by w1n1
Is more than meets the eye as this long range shooting shows – the old war horse of Russia
The M91/30 Mosin-Nagant with 7N1 ammo is a formidable long range rifle system. This segment highlights a demonstration of just how effective an unmodified military rifle can be in experienced hands.
This rifle is in 100% original military configuration and had NOT been equipped with any optical sights, yet it slams steel at 944 yards as easy as anything else on the shelf. Many assume these rifle like this (purchased for under $100) must need modification to shoot well… but what many fail to realize is that these rifles were not designed by sporting companies for recreational activities, they were designed by teams of engineers with massive government resources for life-and-death purposes.
Watch this shooter hit a target 944 yards away here, with supplied iron sights, and that's enough evidence to prove its worth! Click here to see it.
I have the carbine M38. Muzzle flash is as impressive as the boom it makes.
It's dead-on at 200 yards, and I've not attempted anything farther with it as of yet, not on a serious basis anyway. I really should see if I can bang the gong consistently at 500 yards.
I have one and man it packs a wollop
I got one for 100 about 10 years ago. Picked one out of a crate in NC.
Went home, shot it three times in an indoor range (making no friends there), then promptly packed it and the ammo away for SHTF day. That thing HURT to shoot.
yeah, the recoil is SUBSTANTIAL!
Pretty much, although there were some boys from the north who grew up hunting, too.
Average southern soldier was not any better shot than the average union soldier. Neither had to be a good shot. Two ranks deep, shoulder to shoulder, weapons aimed chest high.
Fire when ordered to do so. Once the first volley was fired, the gun powder smoke was so thick it generally obscured any view to the enemy. There were skilled marksmen on both sides and sniping done throughout the war. But the average soldier on either side was never trained in what we would call marksmanship.
The Finnish sniper Simo Hayah used a Finn manufactured version of the Mosin Nagant with iron sights. He seemed to very well with it.
Every now and then I put on a Mosin shoot at my range. Prone, slow-fire from 200, 300 and 600 yds at pistol targets. Lotsa fun!
I have an M44 and it groups way better with the bayonet extended. I'd like to invent a shooting sport that includes charging with bayoneting and maybe a little head-cracking-equivalent with the steel plate...I have a 9-mil neoprene pad I wear to simulate a russian greatcoat and that helps with the recoil, spreads it out nicely. But often I just forgo it and use ibuprofen instead...
They are accurate rifles and if you end up with one with good rifling they are extremely accurate. Many early rifles were made in the United states under contract by Remington for the Russian Czar and than rearsenaled/refinished for WWII and if you have a hexagonal receiver there is a good chance it may have been made originally in America @ 1917. The receivers are very strong and will take a lot of abuse. For those buying milsurp rifles early on (Mausers, Yugos, Nagants) in the 1980's and 1990's, it were a fun time to collect great shooters at ridiculous prices. Back when a brick of .22LR was $10, a Turkish M38 Mauser was $25 and 1,000rnds of 8mm ammo was $50 delivered at your door. After a few elections and SHTF scares everyone wanted one and now those that bought crates of rifles are laughing to the bank. At one time you could buy a crate of 10 Mosin Nagant rifles and thousands or rounds of ammo for less than the cost of one new Remington 700.
The first time I took the M38 to the range, the stock cracked badly. I found a Monte Carlo-style aftermarket stock for it, made by ATI, with a reasonably thick rubber butt-pad. It still kicks, but it doesn't hurt too bad with that aftermarket stock.
The Finn m/28-30 and m/39 models had reworked triggers quite suitable for precise work, along with improvements to the stocks and magazine body and heavier target-grade barrels; those of the m/28-30 series have .308 bores suitable for American-made .308 match-grade projectiles. And if you have a Russian, Chinese, French or American [Westinghouse] built version, Timney makes an adjustable trigger for them.
I have a couple 91’s that are fun to shoot. I have an M44 that you better damn sure have hearing protection on when you fire it!
Still fairly easy to find, though it's true that the choices are now more limited and the supply is drying out now that many shooters are finding out what the rifles are capable of with quality ammunition.
And nowhere near $100 anymore.
Now generally around double that, most places, including Southern Ohio Guns, at $219.95 - $229.95, [with icepick cruciform bayonet!] plus UPS shipping.
The Chinese T-53 Mosin-Nagant carbines Don Bell at Omega Weapons in Tucsons had for $35 each back around 2007-2009 are now also long gone....
121-125 grain bullets for the 7,62x39mm M43 AK47 round work very nicely in reduced loads for the m38/m44/type53 carbines' shorter barrels. And molds for nice AK-weight bullets are available from Lee, RCBS and several other manufacturers. Don't overlook the Hornady XTP hollowpoints meant for the .32 H&R *magnum* revolver cartridge, either.
I have a pair of Tulsa he receivers. Nice rifles.
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Hornady makes a nice .311”, 174gr BTHP that works well for Enfield and Mosin-Nagant rifles.
The Finn target shooter and hunter turned sniper Simo Häyhä used a Finn m/28-30 rifle reworked by the Civil Guard armory with iron sights, mostly. They didn't require raising his head to view into a scope, as most of the existing Russian and German mounting systems did, and there were less problems with glare from snow or condensation indoors. But he tried most everything available, including German 4x Ajack scopes on Finn rebuilt rifles and captured Mosin-Nagant M91-30 rifles with PE and PU scopes fitted- he found the PE/ PEM worked better with his eyes than the fixed-diopter system PU, but thought that if a scope was to be used, more than 4x was a good idea. And after the war? Despite his injuries, he went back to his earlier life, occasionally hunting and target shooting, and taking part at annual commerations of the war's events. He served at Kollaa's *Killer Hill,* where 32 Finns held off 4000 attacking Soviet troops for several days. Four survived, one being *Simuna* Häyhä, thereafter known as valkoinen kuolema, *The White Death.*
Nice little guy.
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