Posted on 05/21/2017 9:05:47 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
But they live till 90. ‘splain that.
Seriously?
If you really think that American children are the “least healthy,” try reading up about children in third world countries, notably Africa and Asia. Millions of children per year still die of infectious diseases every year. Although infectious diseases are no longer responsible for most deaths, they are still in the top ten. Much of that progress is directly attributable to vaccines.
Why are you coming to FR to promote the anti-vaccine screeds invented by the left to try to increase the child death rate back to what it was prior to the 1900s and the advent of the vaccine age?
Are you old enough to remember the ravages of polio, whooping cough, measles, mumps and chicken pox? I am
Anti valets.....meh
There is something I don’t understand about this whole debate.
First: I had my kids vaccinated. Didn’t think twice about it. I would do it again. I figure it kept them safe from a number of illnesses and it seemed the responsible thing to do. I’m glad I did it.
But — if my neighbors are the sort who don’t believe in vaccinations, and if they skip the whole thing, and just take their chances ... in what way are they a threat to me or my children? How do they threaten anyone — other than those other people who also don’t believe in vaccinations?
In short: why is vaccination my business? You do or you don’t, right? I don’t think I care.
But a lot of people want Strong Government to FORCE people to put stuff in their children’s bodies. I’m not sure I like the sound of that.
If they come down with a serious communicable illness they can pass it on to people/kids who are not vaccinated. That’s why your kids were vaccinated - so they don’t pick up a particular communicable disease.
thanks
this is truth and important
Thank God for the vaccines that eliminated polio, TB, ect. ...I’m very grateful.
Anybody who spouts anti-vax sentiments cannot be trusted to be even vaguely rational.
Even if you are vacinnated you can still get the illness. It happened with my son with chicken pox.
You need everyone vacinnated to actually get rid of the disease.
I understand that.
But the people who insist that vaccination is totally good — they always get their kids vaccinated, right? So that they dont pick up a particular communicable disease.
But if my neighbors skip vaccinations ... why do I care?
I think this is a serious and very basic question. I don’t like the Nanny State. I will take care of my kids, and I will vaccinate my kids. But my neighbors should be able to make their own choices. Their choices will not affect me.
Well, you don’t have to care. It’s the kid with the negligent parent or the hippie-dippy anti-vaccine parent who has to care.
Because vaccines are not 100% effective. As someone else mentioned you can still get sick. The neighbor kid who is unvaccinated increases everyone’s risk.
The short answer is that yes, unvaccinated children *are* a threat to your children.
There are several reasons for this.
Many vaccines cannot be administered to very young children for a number of reasons. For example, if they have maternal antibodies that recognize a disease already, their immune system might not respond to a vaccine because it senses that there is already protection. But those maternal antibodies wear out, and there might not be enough of them to protect the baby if it is exposed to a deadly disease.
Some children do not develop immunity following vaccination. They will always be at risk of catching these diseases, and the disease is likely to be extremely severe due to the immune problem that prevents them from building the immunity when they receive the vaccine.
People with immune disorders, and people being treated for serious diseases like cancer are also in danger, because these conditions cause immune suppression, which leads to very serious and potentially fatal consequences if they should ever catch the disease.
Last, is the principle of herd immunity. When a sufficient proportion of the population is vaccinated against a disease, the disease will not spread if some unvaccinated person catches it. But if not enough people are vaccinated, the disease can cause a significant outbreak (e.g. the measles outbreak at Disneyland a couple of years ago).
Actually, here is a video that concisely explains herd immunity: Herd Immunity and Immunization.
It is because of herd immunity that public health professionals consider vaccination a public health issue rather than a component of individual health care.
I suppose.
I’m not anti-vaccine. But I think this issue raises legitimate issues for a Conservative.
I don’t need to live in a perfectly safe world. That is only achieved through tyranny. And even then, it is not achieved.
I’m not interested in building Utopia.
I’m not trying to live forever.
I am interested in being responsible, and caring for my kids.
There is an interesting line here — on the one hand, use government to force people to be safe and responsible so that we can have a more wonderful world, and on the other hand, allow people to exercise self-determination and make choices based on their own beliefs.
My own choice is pro-vaccine. But I am not interested in making other people follow my lead.
They’re not vaccinated to keep them healthy. There is a whole mother purpose going on there.
Who would choose to play Russian Roulette with their children?
Yet that’s what every mother does: 1-in-9 odds of having a child with developmental problems, Autism among those statistics (though Autism is rated as occurring in only 1-in-63, iirc). I’m not implicating vaccines as the proximate cause; far from it. However, there is a fundamental problem when one realizes that not only are we in a national health emergency, but now we’re breeding offspring who are diseased themselves. “Living to 90,” as you write, varies considerably with quality of life and glosses over the collective health problems even the other 8-in-9 children have as adults.
I’ve become rather critical of charities such as March of Dimes of-late for doing NOTHING to reverse the trends in preterm births, rather simply playing cheerleader to faux statistics and using bad articles as fundraising tools...
Therefore the author is lacking in basic scientific application of principles. And I won't be reading it.
Google and read up on herd immunity.
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