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To: ek_hornbeck; Pelham; Ohioan; chasio649; Mr. Mojo; Monterrosa-24

They don’t care that it’s an assault on all of us slippery slope wise by The progressives

I’ve been here forever

Most of these guys have been zotted in time proven as libs

This bunch on this thread are in it for personal reasons as being black which they are too cowardly to admit

Or they are fringe folks especially with all this Hitler was Jewish talk

They are either James B Macpherson at best which is bad enough or Howard Zinn at worst in their historical perpsiective if they read t all

The fact that they are now allied with ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter bothers them none

The fact Jefferson and Washington and so forth are also under assault as well again is of no concern to them even they’ve seen it coming my nearly two decades here

Almost none say one word about who they are or where and they always show up enmasse to south bash which always made me think they fly from the same nest like Rush’s seminar callers do

You expect this from the hipster progressive nihilists.

But not from folks claiming to be conservatives

I understand there is a National Review Jonah Goldberg Rich Lowery branch that grew up from after WFB purged the paleos

The same folks who fired Derbyshire

I assume that’s where they get inspiration from or Mark Levin and his neovonfeferate obsessions although he would not cotton to the quasi anti Semitism on here today

It’s kook talk some of it to be honest Hitler is a Jew stuff

I do business from a Traverse City to Jackson Miss to Seattle to Asheville and I don’t know anyone like these folks

My daughter one lives in hipster lefty east Nashville and I don’t see this there either

The virtue signaling sated only by such vitriol towards the South

But these folks are here and this is what they do

It’s like when a kid drives his motorcycle too fast and gets killed and so many here scold and laugh

The internet gives folks an outlet to act out how they really are

They do not respond to logic and magnanimity

Hat tip u!

The fact so many of these guys baring the two exceptions I mentioned were neverTrump is no surprise


96 posted on 05/01/2017 4:58:58 PM PDT by wardaddy (Multiculturalism: Everyone wants to inhabit the world of white men with no white men in it)
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To: wardaddy; ek_hornbeck; Pelham; chasio649; Mr. Mojo; Monterrosa-24
wardaddy--

You focus on the motives of the South haters; but I have a hard time getting past their abysmal demonstration of a total lack of any rational perspective. That they are filled with hate, and seek to market hate against the very roots of our civilization is obvious. But in their demonstration of oblivion to the actual context of what they hiss over, they never rise past a level of half baked opinions, served by intellectually underdone enthusiasts.

Let me point out some obvious errors, which should be clear to any student of history, but which the current crop of South haters ignore:

1. Of all the places in the world, where people were being held in involuntary servitude in 1860, such as Brazil, the Islamic nations, much of tropical Africa, Imperial Russia--although there about to be freed--can anyone name any place where the "bondage" was more humanely administered than in much of the Old South?

How about in non-bondage States, here or in Europe, were there many low paying, industrial jobs, where the laboring men & women were as humanely treated by their employers, as the bonds men & women in the Old South?

2. Why do not those who feign inveterate horror at the idea of anyone held in bondage ever consider how much of any worker's time, in an alternative "free" system, is really his or her own; and how much absolutely dictated by the complex context of circumstances linked to the needs of survival, in any system? And how much actual free time was allowed to the "slaves" of compassionate Southern Christian Plantation owners?

Just why were ex-slaves behaving in the manner Booker T. Washington describes, if their lives had been the hellish experience that the rabid Abolitionists claimed? (Booker T. Washington Address)

3. One encounters a "pecking order" in all social species on the planet. It is a given that personal liberty, where everyone is put on their mettle to be responsible; that such brings out the best in a society. Yet, both in the "loyal & faithful servant" in the Bible, and in such honored bondsmen in the classic age in Europe as Aesop, many slaves have been honored through the ages. Who, in Biblical times, or in Medieval times, with kindly intent, ever felt the need to go into an endless hissing fit over the fact that some people were for a time in a position to direct the lives of other people, unless there were other factors involved.

4. A great many Southerners wanted to see the slaves emancipated--Jefferson for one. But they recognized that there had to be careful preparation for the change in status. The fact is that that preparation was never made; and the reasoning behind the recognition of the need for that preparation has surely been vindicated by the ongoing racial conflicts, 152 years after emancipation.

Now, while we are all victims of the gross mishandling of that emancipation, the greatest victims have been the ex-slaves. Why? Because the South haters in the 1865 era, promised the new freemen what they could not deliver; and should never have promised. But those promises ushered in an age of dependency, since refurbished by new generations of demagogues, intent on preserving that dependency.

The reality is that no two of us have exactly the same combination of talents & weaknesses, motivations & inhibitions, etc.. And the egalitarian absurdity of the Jacobins & Marxists, down through the generations, leads to utterly & demonstrably bad results for the pretended beneficiaries--those being "equalized" by Government. One size does not fit all. One format does not work for every child.

I would suggest that instead of treating the Confederate leaders as somehow abhorrent, we look at the skills developed on those great plantations, under the tutelage of Christian employers, and study how contemporary schools can achieve a similar result, before another generation of Black youth are misled to their own destruction by the Pied Pipers of the Left.

97 posted on 05/02/2017 8:43:46 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: wardaddy
You expect this from the hipster progressive nihilists. But not from folks claiming to be conservatives I understand there is a National Review Jonah Goldberg Rich Lowery branch that grew up from after WFB purged the paleos The same folks who fired Derbyshire

Buckley's purges helped create politically correct, multicultural "Conservatism Inc" (recalling Eric Hoffer's remark that what starts as a movement turns into a racket). It really came to fruition under George W. Bush and his ideological hangers-on, i.e. the takeover of National Review by people like Goldberg, Lowry, Ponnuru, etc. They say a few conservative-sounding things on social issues and taxes, but on immigration and the national question they're aligned with the Left. They do the same with symbolic cultural issues like removing Confederate monuments.

Notice that in op-eds about the French elections, NRO talking heads are supporting Macron, which aligns them with Obama and Hillary.

115 posted on 05/03/2017 11:22:34 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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