The War against the Confederacy

US Defense Watch ^ | April 30, 2017 | Ray Starmann

[Yaelle]

It’s a war against actual truth.

Liberals can’t handle shades of gray.

[central_va]

I would be carful assciited flags with the KKK:

[wardaddy]

I don’t think the parties have been static

That’s simpleton logic suited for south bashers here

The radical GOP of thev1860s and 70s is in no way similar to today

They were super statists

[central_va]

I would be carful assciited careful associating flags with the KKK:

Fixed.

[wardaddy]

Aside from rockrr and mac truck nearly every south hater here was also a. Nevertrumper

Just an observation

[Ohioan]

In one sense, the continuous war against the Southern Heritage--which was the dominant American Heritage at the time of the Constitutional debates, and the establishment of the Federal Government, is a tribute to the character of the Southern people. The war, after all, is part of a two generational assault by Leftist Egalitarian/Collectivists on the continuity, not only of America, but of the West in general.

That your people draw the most frenzied hissy fit of the Leftist international types, is a tribute to your fidelity to a proud and honorable history. That is the one thing that those who hate our civilization simply cannot tolerate.

By the way. If one puts in juxtaposition the clear testimony of Booker T. Washington, and the snarling idiocy of the contemporary South haters--as you have observed also the Trump haters--it is not hard to recognize that the hatred of the Old South, clearly includes hatred of its Negro inhabitants, as well as the White leadership.

Consider Booker T. Washington Testimony.

The ultimate objects of this demonstration of pure hatred by the Left are just about anyone, who understands heritage & the Fifth Commandment. But see again, what Booker T. Washington had to say about the personalities involved, in the post war South:

Booker T. Washington Testimony.

[rockrr]

Being against the lunacy of the confederates doesn’t make one a “south hater”.

Just and observation.

[Reno89519]

I am not saying that anyone flying the flag is racist. Personally, I’ll side with that until I know otherwise because only an idiot would not realize the flag has been co-opted. And don’t equate people not wanting that flag flown, wanting it in a museum, as somehow not being conservative. I’m quite conservative and so are most of the people I know. I didn’t not but briefly grow up in the south. I associate the flag with racism, KKK, killing Americans and all that. That doesn’t make me less conservative, just that I have a different view. Again, look at the common usage of that flag over the past 100 years. I will not mince words on this. It has not business being flown than does a Nazi flag. You wouldn’t suggest descendants of Nazis or people from Germany fly that flag, would you? Someone shows up at work with Nazi or Confederate flag, I’d fire them.

[BroJoeK]

ek_hornbeck: "The fact that J.C. Calhoun or Jefferson Davis were Democrats in the 19th century doesn't mean that their policies had anything in common with Obama's, because what defined Democrats (Democratic Republicans early in their history) and Republicans (Federalists and Whigs earlier in their history) weren't the issues the define the parties today."

Oh, my goodness, but Democrats then were exactly alike today in everything important:

1. First & foremost, they were & are opposed to the US Constitution.
   Before they called themselves "Democrats" they first went by the name "anti-Federalists", meaning those who opposed ratification of our 1787 Constitution.
   That's why in 1861 they called themselves the "Confederacy" to honor our old Articles of Confederation.
   Having lost the ratification battle in 1788, they became the "anti-Administration" party against President Washington's government.

   But Democrats never did like our Constitution and try at every possible moment to bend or corrupt it more to suit their own purposes.

2. They don't accept results of elections which go against them.
   We saw this in November 1860 and again this past election.

3. Democrats from Day One have been all about using government coercion to force you to pay for their well-being.
   Only the definitions of "you" & "they" change over time.
   In the Old Days, "you" meant African slaves while today it means... well, just about anybody who doesn't feel like a slave or otherwise "oppressed".

4. Democrats then & now harshly enforced laws they favor -- i.e., fugitive slave laws then, international "refugee" immigrants today -- and Democrats ignore laws they oppose, i.e., Jefferson's nullification & interposition theory then, and in "sanctuary cities" today.

I could go on, but that's a good start.
Anyone else want to add to it?

[Reno89519]

Where do you reach that conclusion—dislike confederate flag must be a nevertrumper. No, not true. Wrong to try and create that division. Besides, Trump has NEVER said anything to support or defend the flying of the confederate flag. I seriously doubt he has one or has ever had one. You won’t find one on any property he is associated with. So, please, be intellectually honest and keep Trump out of your defense of the confederate flag.

[NorthMountain]

Is that supposed to be the Statue of Liberty on a Ku Klux Kreep float? ROFL!!! Among other things, the KKKreeps were violently anti-immigrant. And that refers to legal immigration, not to illegal invasion by hordes of foreigners bent on conquest.

[BroJoeK]

wardaddy: "I’m not aware of Hitler having Jewish ancestry
But I do think he grew up resentful of Jews where he lived and saw that many were associated with the Mensheviks and Bolshies. Whom he detested."

According to Hitler's lawyer, Hans Frank, Hitler's grandfather was a young Jewish man named Leopold Frankenberger, whose son to Maria Schicklgruber later became Alois Hitler, Adolf's father.

Scholars today discount Frank's story as impossible and say Adolf's real father was most likely Johann Georg Hiedler, who later married Maria and adopted her son Alois.

However, Hitler himself was concerned enough in 1931 about possible Jewish ancestry to order an "investigation" which, not surprisingly, found no such evidence.

So Hitler's alleged Jewish ancestry may be an anti-Nazi or anti-Semitic political myth, but if Hitler himself was worried about it enough to take action, I'd not dismiss it 100%.

[RFEngineer]

You would make such an equivalency between the nazis and the confederacy? You’re nuts.

[ek_hornbeck]

1.First & foremost, they were & are opposed to the US Constitution. Before they called themselves "Democrats" they first went by the name "anti-Federalists", meaning those who opposed ratification of our 1787 Constitution. That's why in 1861 they called themselves the "Confederacy" to honor our old Articles of Confederation.

The Democrats opposed the US Constitution because they believed it gave the Federal Government excessive power and the States too little. In other words, they did so for exactly the opposite reasons. You can agree or disagree with Federalism, but isn't it completely dishonest of you to say that today's Democrats are "the same" as those of the 19th Century when today's oppose the Constitution because it gives the Federal Government insufficient power while those of 200 years ago thought it gave the Federal GOvernment excessive power?

I'm guessing that you understand this, but are just engaging in dishonest rhetoric to support your own position.

[Reno89519]

Regarding flying the Nazi and Confederate flags, absolutely.

[ek_hornbeck]

That doesn’t make me less conservative, just that I have a different view. Again, look at the common usage of that flag over the past 100 years. I will not mince words on this. It has not business being flown than does a Nazi flag. You wouldn’t suggest descendants of Nazis or people from Germany fly that flag, would you? Someone shows up at work with Nazi or Confederate flag, I’d fire them.

Remind me again, when did the Confederacy attempt to exterminate entire ethnic or religious groups? While you're at it, maybe you can provide a list of sovereign nations the Confederacy invaded, looted and turned into puppet regimes. When you can do that, we can start taking the comparison of the Confederacy and Nazi Germany seriously. Otherwise, it just sounds like the sort of propaganda we get from BlackLivesMatter activists.

[ek_hornbeck]

What conservatives who cheer the destruction of Confederate monuments refuse to understand or acknowledge is that the radical groups who agitate against the Confederate Flag and Jefferson Davis memorials today will agitate against the American flag and George Washington memorials tomorrow. The Confederacy is just an easier target at the moment. This isn’t really about the Confederacy as much as it’s about the abolition of American history and the triumph of politically correct multiculturalism.

[pboyington]

Lee never purchased slaves. He inherited them.

Lincoln did throw away the constitution, as in the case when he arrested the Maryland legislature because it was pro-secession. And, here’s Honest Abe’s executive order shutting down NY journalists:
Major-General John A. Drx,

Commanding at New York:

Whereas there has been wickedly and traitorously printed and published this morning in the New York World and New York Journal of Commerce, newspapers printed and published in the city of New York, a false and spurious proclamation purporting to be signed by the President and to be countersigned by the Secretary of State, which publication is of a treasonable nature, designed to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States and to the rebels now at war against the Government and their aiders and abettors, you are therefore hereby commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison in any fort or military prison in your command the editors, proprietors, and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers, and all such persons as, after public notice has been given of the falsehood of said publication, print and publish the same with intent to give aid and comfort to the enemy; and you will hold the persons so arrested in close custody until they can be brought to trial before a military commission for their offense. You will also take possession by military force of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce, and hold the same until further orders, and prohibit any further publication therefrom.

A. LINCOLN.

Keep up the hero worship of the tyrant Lincoln.

[BroJoeK]

ek_hornbeck: "Democrats opposed the US Constitution because they believed it gave the Federal Government excessive power and the States too little."

Excessive power?
Do you mean like Fugitive Slave laws, forced on Northern states which had already abolished slavery?
No, of course you don't.
Those are exactly the kind of constitutional Federal powers Democrats loved and supported!

ek_hornbeck: "In other words, they did so for exactly the opposite reasons.
You can agree or disagree with Federalism, but isn't it completely dishonest of you to say that today's Democrats are 'the same' as those of the 19th Century when today's oppose the Constitution because it gives the Federal Government insufficient power while those of 200 years ago thought it gave the Federal GOvernment excessive power?"

No, not the opposite reasons, the same reasons.
From Day One of our free republic Democrats have always supported more Federal power in support of their institutions, such as slavery then or "welfare" today.
They only care to limit Federal powers in areas (i.e., sanctuary cities) where it would be adverse to their political base.

How can that be anything but totally obvious??

ek_hornbeck: "I'm guessing that you understand this, but are just engaging in dishonest rhetoric to support your own position."

No, I'm being totally honest and you are ignoring simple facts which don't fit your own misleading narrative.

[BroJoeK]

ek_hornbeck: "When you can do that, we can start taking the comparison of the Confederacy and Nazi Germany seriously."

There's no legitimate comparison of Confederates with Nazis I can think of, except perhaps that both, let us say, bit off more than they could chew.
So have many others throughout history.