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1 posted on 04/16/2017 8:40:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I do like this… It was once common, called OJT, or on-the-job-training. Why haven’t the over-IQed tech titans thought of this simple solution before?


2 posted on 04/16/2017 8:44:32 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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Back in the day most jobs had apprenticeships programs and it worked out very well.


3 posted on 04/16/2017 8:45:08 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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-—not a new idea-—the Climax mine in Colorado did a similar operation in the early and mid-’60’s—allowed employees to take an aptitude test and then had training for those qualifying as programmers-—Fortran was the rage then-—


4 posted on 04/16/2017 8:45:33 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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I worked in IT from 1978 to 2014.

Back in the old days, before the middle 90s, every organization had a bunch of mediocre people to perform routine tasks. The pay was OK, and people had jobs.

Nowadays, if you want a testing group or an operations group, you typically locate the entire function in India, or at least most of it. The salaries are not as low as people think, but for $20-30K you can fill up an office in Mumbai or Bangalore with less-than-brilliant people who can do the day-to-day work.

Realistic speaking, only the most difficult tasks are still done in the US. When I worked, we did support, but it was third-level support. When there was a problem, the help desk in India, and then the Operations group in India, both had a crack at it. Only when they were stuck was the ticket transferred to the US developers.


5 posted on 04/16/2017 8:52:07 PM PDT by proxy_user
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>Win/win.

Agreed. As a degreed CS person in the IT space, I completely agree that it’s not the only way to be capable — although it’s certainly a help! We don’t want the professorial class to be the sole gatekeepers.

Hopefully ‘apprenticeship’ doesn’t turn into code for SJW recruitment or exercises in duckspeaking and doublethink.


6 posted on 04/16/2017 9:10:21 PM PDT by No.6
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According to a friend of mine who was the HR guy for a major company until he retired, the main reason they ever got away from apprenticeships was because of the EEOC and discrimination extortionists started suing them over all sorts of little things which added tons of legal fees to the process.

Lo and behold, a lot of companies operated by politicians pals and other extortionists sprang up that for a fee would take care of the whole process and keep the company from ending up in the news for "discrimination" or some other horrible offense like being "insensitive to cultural norms".

Shortly thereafter, it became obvious that it was very easy to hire illegal aliens because you would be held harmless since you had left all the details of screening applicants to a company hired for that purpose.

Odd how that worked out, huh?

7 posted on 04/16/2017 9:17:16 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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Apprenti, which launched in September 2016, identifies and vets talented individuals, with priority given to women, minorities, and veterans.

...discriminates against white men, and women and children of traditional households, where white men are the bread winner. Why does our culture have this death wish?

8 posted on 04/16/2017 9:31:21 PM PDT by disclaimer
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As someone who has worked in the computer software industry for 33 years, I love this.


10 posted on 04/16/2017 9:44:38 PM PDT by Snowybear
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Not exactly tech, but Ford Motor Co used to hire the best and brightest engineering graduates.

Their first day on the job they were handed brooms, shovels and other implements of manual labor.
Those best and brightest had to perform every job in the plant before they were allowed near a design team.

Those engineers went on to design some of the best cars sold in the US, including the Mustang.

Lee Iacocca started out that way.
Apprenticeships work.


11 posted on 04/16/2017 9:54:12 PM PDT by oldvirginian (Government is at best a necessary evil, at worst a millstone around the neck of the citizenry.)
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Yes it is but I hope the H1B Visa program it is referring to is written better than the clauses written in the hiring requirements of the government wall bid docs. In there it gives the company all kinds of wiggle room in purchasing non USA made products over American made products even though the Government is bragging that it is ALL made here in the US..

I would be happy to see more of these low level training programs start up again. Such as electrician, instrumentation fitters, insulators, pipe fitters and so on. I worked for Dow Chemical ( no moral company, anything for a buck) and they completely shutdown their in house training programs as did most big petrochems and only hired "trained" people. Well, if there is no one training or if there is only ONE source, hard to find anyone out there.

with priority given to women, minorities, and veterans.

Somethings never change. Good ol white boy from down the street with a family can just go suck hind tit. When will this bias bullshit stop.

22 posted on 04/17/2017 2:00:27 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it, but ready to go again)
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Good news - now Americans won’t be handcuffed because they don’t have the same avenues to hone their skills and end up being passed over for foreigners who hone their skills before entering our job market.


26 posted on 04/17/2017 3:48:03 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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IBM schools turned a lot of bright working class kids into money making productive employees and contracters.

Laws need to be changed in the education monopoly.

Used to have IBM school, Banking school and the like, now the ed establishment has taken over these roles by laws.


27 posted on 04/17/2017 3:58:48 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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Great idea! Vocational training and apprenticeships are paths to success for many that don’t attend college but need skills.


28 posted on 04/17/2017 4:01:43 AM PDT by jch10
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Apprenticeships in all fields has been going on for centuries. It was once how future doctors, midwives, any field that required a skill was done, especially before reading/writing became a universal item. Thank the man who made the first printing press for your education, he made it possible to learn from a book, not by rote.


29 posted on 04/17/2017 7:03:05 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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Flower talk.

The fundamentals remain.

Workers have a ban on citizenship.
Managers are allowed to retain citizenship.
Nobody left to vote legally.
Federal Reserve remains.
Product quality is poor.
Congress enforces regulatory monopoly.


30 posted on 04/17/2017 3:57:56 PM PDT by TheNext (Individual Mandate NO V.S. Individual Health Savings account HSA - YES)
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