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Why Does Trump Let Judges Push Him Around?
afa.net ^ | March 30, 2017 | Bryan Fischer

Posted on 03/30/2017 12:38:47 PM PDT by PROCON

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To: PROCON
Why Does Trump Let Judges Push Him Around?

Because it is called the rule of law, and Trump will play by the rules and follow the process, even if the judges do not.

If a President can just ignore court rulings we find unfavorable, what's to stop the next Hillary or Obama from ignoring rulings we find favorable?

41 posted on 03/30/2017 1:39:14 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: PROCON

Because Rule of Law. Idiot writer.


42 posted on 03/30/2017 1:41:53 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: sanjuanbob

Oh but there is: lots and lots like double-ought


43 posted on 03/30/2017 1:43:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice)
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To: Yo-Yo

They ignored all kinds of court orders, subpoenas, etc.


44 posted on 03/30/2017 1:46:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: be-baw

Why aren’t we hearing about any appeals on this? Are they not happening, or just not being reported? Or are they waiting for Gorsuch? In theory, I’m okay with the President ignoring judicial decrees that usurp his constitutional authority but, in practice, it would create chaos. In this instance it remains best to work it out through the judicial system.
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In theory and in practice, yada yada yada. Someone, Ryan perhaps, has castrated our new President. Otherwise he would man up and, citing the relevant provisions of the Constitution defining his authority and powers, announce in no uncertain terms that he will move forward with all EOs.


45 posted on 03/30/2017 1:50:31 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (God, Guns, and Trump will save the USA)
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To: Boogieman

“John Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it.” - Andrew Jackson


46 posted on 03/30/2017 1:51:49 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: PROCON
Those judges are going to get smacked down, and hard, the moment Justice Gorsuch is seated.

As for Andrew Jackson, he didn't have to content with 24/7/365 broadcast Media opposing him.

First of all, he had sympathetic mainstream media as well, and second, at least the media which opposed him could only do so once per week, or at most once per day.

If Andrew Jackson had to content with what President Trump is dealing with, he might have adjusted his tactics somewhat...

47 posted on 03/30/2017 1:55:09 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: sargon

*contend, not content...


48 posted on 03/30/2017 1:55:46 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: Kriggerel

“For some odd reason, I feel as if President Trump may be baiting a trap, which is soon going to spring.”

I don’t know. My faith in Trump is faltering. But you may be right.

The law is SO CLEARLY on President Trumps side. Once Gorsuch is on the SC, and it overrules this P.O.S. judge, the majority ruling could include the phrase “judicial incompetence.” I believe that Federal Judges can be impeached by the U.S. house for “judicial incompetence,” and then removed from office by a simple majority vote in the Senate. To see this liberal piece of human filth removed from office legally and replaced with an upright conservative judge would shove a whole lot of STFU down the throats of the liberal judiciary.

This is the kind of stuff I hoped Trump would initiate. So far he has let me down. But a “trap” of this nature would fit your hopeful theory.


49 posted on 03/30/2017 2:00:14 PM PDT by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

It’s been that way since Marbury v. Madison.


50 posted on 03/30/2017 2:02:04 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Setting a precedent for ignoring court orders is probably not a good idea.
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That precedent has already been set. Moreover, courts should never be acknowledged as having the final say about how the Chief Executive conducts the business of running the country. Unelected judges, including the Chief Justice, DO NOT have veto power over the decisions of the President, and Trump needs to move forward with his policy decisions and ignore these judges and their court orders.


51 posted on 03/30/2017 2:03:52 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (God, Guns, and Trump will save the USA)
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To: lee martell

This may be the key right here.
Waiting for Gorsuch.
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Wishful thinking but, if it eases your anxiety, go for it!


52 posted on 03/30/2017 2:06:35 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (God, Guns, and Trump will save the USA)
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To: Boogieman
Really, Trump should just ignore the order and order his executive branch officials (who answer only to him) to enforce his policy. What is the judge going to do? Send his private army to DC to enforce his decision?

No, but he can send federal marshals to arrest the local ICE supervisor, and hold him in contempt of court.

53 posted on 03/30/2017 2:12:58 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: PROCON

I actually listened to the 1st arguments made by Trump lawyer on the issue...

And have concluded that Trump WANTED to lose for some reason. I have heard better first year law students than the moron Trump put up to defend the travel ban.


54 posted on 03/30/2017 2:14:21 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Make America Great Again !)
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To: PROCON

I hope he has a trump card, so to speak, up his sleeve.


I too pray he is “on top of this.” Waiting.


55 posted on 03/30/2017 2:16:50 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 353FMG

“Which means that the Judicial branch has more power than the other two branches, combined.”

Congress has the power to restrict the jurisdiction of the federal courts. Perhaps the GOP House and Senate should vote for a bill eliminating immigration and naturalization from the jurisdiction of the courts.


56 posted on 03/30/2017 2:17:44 PM PDT by Soul of the South
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To: gibsonguy

It really is catastrophic what is happening here. Is Trump a paper tiger?


This may be where his strong ego helps us. He would not be happy giving up so much, only to appear a paper tiger.


57 posted on 03/30/2017 2:18:46 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yo-Yo

It’s not only about the rule of law. That argument cancels itself by the fact the the two judges took upon themselves powers that are not theirs to begin with. Should American federal courts rule on matters of the European Union? Of course not, because it is not something under their jurisdiction, just as immigration policy is not under their jurisdiction.

When the first judge in Washington State ordered the injunction, Trump should have immediately issued a statement explaining that it wasn’t valid because of any American court’s lack of jurisdiction in matters regarding immigration. By appearing to cave into the judicial tyranny, he appears weak and unable to fulfill his boasting of how he would turn the country around and not be bullied by judges, bureaucrats or the media. Where is that bold persona that promised all of this would be done immediately?

It appears that like every other “reformer” that goes to Washington, D.C., Trump appears to have been humbled on promises he swore no power would keep him from fulfilling “my first day in office!” For those who believe that he is setting some sort of trap and is about to spring it on his political enemies, I refer you to all the promised stories of “bombshell” exposes that would land Hillary and her cursed-crew in jail forever, resignations and trials for the worst offenders of the Obama administration, etc. But now - nothing.

I for one am bitterly disappointed by the lack of backbone and audaciousness that we were certain would be produced by voting for Donald Trump.


58 posted on 03/30/2017 2:19:12 PM PDT by clive bitterman
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To: PROCON
what happens when AG Sessions starts withholding funds from sanctuary cities in non-compliance with federal law and another "judge" overturns that order?

It's already happening. Seattle Files Lawsuit Over ‘Sanctuary Cities’ Funding Threat

Here's my concern:

The article says these monies are "grants," not allocated funds from a Congressional budget.

As grants, aren't they totally discretionary from the Justice Department? DoJ can choose which agencies to award grants and which one to not, correct?

I don't see how a judge can compel the Department of Justice to "grant" money to a specific agency, otherwise it is no longer a grant. If a judge converts a grant into a budgetary funding, then it is encroaching on both Executive and Congressional powers.

-PJ

59 posted on 03/30/2017 2:22:16 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Soul of the South

Trump is building his case with the excesses of the Deep State. This will take some time but in time he will be able to move against all of these unconstitutional activists. Trump’s appearance of weakness provides false confidence among the bad actors who need to be overthrown.


60 posted on 03/30/2017 2:32:36 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The Left has the temperament of a squealing pig.)
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