Irish in America: How do you feel now about Trump?

The Irish Times ^ | January 15, 2017

[Wallace T.]

Unlike almost every other white immigrant group? the Irish and the Jews constantly whine about their oppression. Both groups had plenty of reasons to complain about their treatment overseas. However when they got off the boat, their whining should have stopped. German, Italian, Polish, and countless other immigrants dropped the Old World grudges and assimilated. The blacks are also incessant whiners as well.

[Rockingham]

Even those of us who are rabid conservatives and who donated to and voted for Trump?

[I want the USA back]

What does one’s country of heritage have to do with one’s opinions?
For the feeble-minded: not all people of Irish descent think alike on all matters.
Resolution for the new year: don’t be stupid.

[kosciusko51]

Over a century ago, the Catholic hierarchy and the laity threw themselves into the arms of the party of slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow, and they have largely continued to snuggle in those arms as that party became the party of baby-murder and sodomy.

A good article and paper on this is The Curley Effect: Using Redistributive Politics to Shape a Left-Wing Electorate.

[Opinionated Blowhard]

Some of this really is a generational thing. My one uncle was (before he passed away) was Irish and strongly identified as such. Despite the Dems standing for pretty much everything he was against (abortion, anti-gun, gay rights, the Sexual Revolution, etc.), he absolutely hated Republicans and kept voting for Dems. He had 5 kids (my cousins) and all but one of them are strong Republicans.

[KeyLargo]

I have a Jewish acquaintance that has traveled to Ireland a number of times to participate in abortion rallies.

I know that she is pro-abortion, but have wondered what the need for traveling to Ireland to join in the rallies there is?

[Stentor]

What does one’s country of heritage have to do with one’s opinions?

So Germans, Irish and Italians etc. all came from countries that had the same philosophy, beliefs and culture as the founders? Of course there was a dilution of founding principles from day 1.

[poinq]

I fall into that category. I would love to go back. I love Ireland. Its a great place. Nothing more relaxing than a week in the Bantry.

But Since Trump himself is only second generation from Scotland on his mothers side. And 4 of his five children are themselves second generation. I feel confident that Trump cares more about making America great first. And not so much stopping immigration, at least not legal immigration.

Nobody has the right to come to America accept Americans. And the wrong headed people who think you have to accept everyone. Are taking the easy way out. What they should be doing is promoting stability in other countries. Creating and supporting gangs in Mexico or toppling governments in the middle east is causing refuges. These people were happy at one point until Obama gave bombs and guns to terrorists.

[BurrOh]

I can’t address the equations but the narrative is interesting. Thanks for the link.

[KeyLargo]

Ireland Has a New Religion: Liberal-Left Totalitarianism

Kevin Myers
23 May 2015

Ireland – which decriminalised male homosexual acts only twenty-three years ago, and where it was illegal for single people to buy a condom until 1992 – is now officially the most homophiliac country in the world. It is the first state ever to put gay marriage to a vote, and lodge in its constitution the right of same sex-couples to wed.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/23/ireland-has-a-new-religion-liberal-left-intolerance/

[KeyLargo]

Ireland Has a New Religion: Liberal-Left Totalitarianism

Kevin Myers
23 May 2015

Ireland – which decriminalised male homosexual acts only twenty-three years ago, and where it was illegal for single people to buy a condom until 1992 – is now officially the most homophiliac country in the world. It is the first state ever to put gay marriage to a vote, and lodge in its constitution the right of same sex-couples to wed.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/23/ireland-has-a-new-religion-liberal-left-intolerance/

[dp0622]

Just joking. Italians and Irish always tease each other on staten island

[WildHighlander57]

Irish?

His mom’s name was McLeod.

Scottish.

[ConservativeDude]

well said...you have saved me the trouble of trying to explain that. But the Irish...wow, they do love their socialism.

[KeyLargo]

Sorry for the duplicate post.

Has anyone noticed that FR website is very slow now?

[Buckeye McFrog]

This Irish-American voted for Trump.

As did just about his entire family (save for one NeverTrumper).

On the whole though the Irish here vote Dem. Too much brainwashing from union newsletters.

[McGavin999]

Isn't it amazing how we all learn how to read autocorrect and just move on with the comment? Go back and look at your post😉 Point is we knew what you meant

[Amendment10]

Thomas Jefferson, undoubtedly based on his experience as ambassador to France, had noted that foreigners do not understand our constitutional division of federal and state powers.

"With respect to our State and federal governments, I do not think their relations correctly understood by foreigners. They generally suppose the former subordinate to the latter. But this is not the case. They are co-ordinate departments of one simple and integral whole." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

So Ireland, and all other countries, probably sees POTUS as a prime minister or king like low-information USA voters do.

But POTUS actually has much less constitutional authority to decide domestic policy than prime ministers and kings do imo.

In fact, the Congress has needed to propose amendments to the Constitution to justify at least some of the treaties that the feds have agreed to.

• “In giving to the President and Senate a power to make treaties, the Constitution meant only to authorize them to carry into effect, by way of treaty, any powers they might constitutionally exercise.” —Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1793.

• “Surely the President and Senate cannot do by treaty what the whole government is interdicted from doing in any way.” — Thomas Jefferson: Parliamentary Manual, 1812 .

• "2. Insofar as Art. 2(11) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice provides for the military trial of civilian dependents accompanying the armed forces in foreign countries, it cannot be sustained as legislation which is "necessary and proper" to carry out obligations of the United States under international agreements made with those countries, since no agreement with a foreign nation can confer on Congress or any other branch of the Government power which is free from the restraints of the Constitution [emphasis added] .” — Reid v. Covert, 1956.

[IronJack]

I've never suspected the Irish of being whiners. They were some hard men, that's for sure, and assimilated slowly and often violently. But considering the treatment they got ("No dogs or Irish allowed"), that they assimilated at all is remarkable.

Jews are largely the same, in my experience. They're traditionally liberals, which escapes logic, but they don't tend to complain, except to each other, and then the complaints never stop!

But blacks? Having suffered far less lengthy oppression than either of the other groups, and with far greater resources devoted to redressing their grievances, they still whine the loudest and most often. They have assimilated little and if anything, are moving toward even greater segregation.

I'd take 10 Irishmen before one of obama's kids.

[Arthur McGowan]

Yes!