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MT: Bear Spray Failure or Bear Spray Success?
Gun Watch ^ | 20 October, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/24/2016 6:42:20 AM PDT by marktwain



Another grizzly bear attack in Montana.  A man was mauled. It sounds like he sprayed the bear with pepper spray while being mauled, but that is a bit unclear.
From kbzk.com:

The Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks reports a man suffered bites to the head, shoulder and wrist after being attacked by a grizzly bear north of Whitefish on Sunday.

(snip)

He was able to use pepper spray against the bear during the attack, which caused the bear to flee back toward the direction from where it charged.
It is possible that the dogs were part of the trigger for the attack.  The cubs, the deer carcass and the dogs all are associated with bear attacks.

Is this a bear spray failure or a bear spray success?  Ending in the hospital does not seem like much of a success to me, but it is better than being killed.

It is impossible to know if a firearm could have stopped the attack before he was injured, or if a firearm would have been as effective in stopping the attack after it was initiated.

There is no objective study that shows that bear spray is as or more effective than firearms for defense against bears.

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TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; bearspray; dogs; mt
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Bear spray has its place, but it has been way over hyped.

Bear spray studies are primarily on non-aggressive bears.

The only firearms efficacy study that is used to compare against bear sprays used cherry picked incidents of aggressive bears. The authors refuse to release their data.

1 posted on 10/24/2016 6:42:20 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

So, I assume they are actually using “bear spray” instead of just generic “pepper spray”. Sometimes the articles don’t make it clear.


2 posted on 10/24/2016 6:50:20 AM PDT by BeadCounter ( Trump Pence! The only choice.)
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To: marktwain

the best defence is to stay out of bear country when the boys are fattening up for winter.


3 posted on 10/24/2016 6:51:01 AM PDT by albertabound
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To: marktwain

“Bad Hombre” bears think of it as seasoning...

Sabor y calidad...


4 posted on 10/24/2016 6:53:49 AM PDT by null and void ("Interfere in elections"="inform voters.")
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To: marktwain

Montana?
Bear, wolf, cat country?
No large cal firearm?

Daughter: Daddy, why are you putting sneakers on?
Father: Sweetie, I don’t have to outrun any bear; just need to outrun you.


5 posted on 10/24/2016 6:55:56 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: marktwain

A friend of mine carries a Smith and Wesson 500, .50cal pistol when he is in the mountains. He says bears are so fast when they come at you that he will probably only get 2 rounds off before its on him.


6 posted on 10/24/2016 6:58:11 AM PDT by excalibur21
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To: excalibur21

It depends. Sometimes the attack is very fast, sometimes it is not. Two shots is often enough.

It is surprising how effective pistols are as a defense against bears.


7 posted on 10/24/2016 7:02:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: carriage_hill

“Montana?
Bear, wolf, cat country?”

Yes we have ll of these plus deadly moose and bison.

We typically get black bear around our house this time of year if it’s been lean pickin’s due to drought over the summer.

We have bobcat in the draws around us, but we live between the draws and they do not bother us...

It’s quite a lot of fun!


8 posted on 10/24/2016 7:04:52 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: marktwain

I would say this is a spray success story. My readings on bear attacks is that they are fast, and when hit in vital organs continue with their charge until totally exhausted, then they die. Meaning, yes, you got off two good shots, but will get mauled/killed anyway.

My point is the spray screwed up the bears senses, which drove it off. Yup, the guy got mauled, but he is alive to tell his story.

Personally, a heavy caliber pistol and spray would be a good combo.


9 posted on 10/24/2016 7:06:14 AM PDT by redfreedom
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To: marktwain

Up front: my apologies for snipping this from ancient sources, but it’s too good not to use.

“The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear’s sensitive nose and it will run away.
It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.”


10 posted on 10/24/2016 7:13:05 AM PDT by budj (beam me up, scotty...)
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To: BBB333

I’ll bet you carry a capable firearm when you go outside...


11 posted on 10/24/2016 7:16:14 AM PDT by Carriage Hill ( Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: redfreedom

We don’t know enough to determine if he used the spray before and or just during the mauling.

With practice, one should only need 1.5 to 3 seconds to deploy a firearm or spray if holstered if one has it in hand more like 3/4 of a second to deploy and get hits.

With most bear attacks one has more then a few seconds to realize what is going on if paying attention.

The key in any defensive situation is to recognize early that one might have to defend oneself. Thus giving you a change to deploy your defensive arms or get ready to.

I have heard over and over from people who have been attack does not matter by what or whom I didn’t realize or think on could happen to me.

Be alert, practice and prepared.


12 posted on 10/24/2016 7:19:39 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: redfreedom

Agree with your post that *both* tools are good in the right place.
Even a modest handgun round will deliver a sharp and unpleasant smack that even if not injurious, will help convince bears to avoid humans.

13 posted on 10/24/2016 7:22:39 AM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: albertabound
the best defence is to stay out of bear country when the boys are fattening up for winter.

You mean hunting season... here is the thing, there are no consequences for the bear. We have trained bears to come on the shot. They do not want hunters, but they do want their animal.

14 posted on 10/24/2016 7:32:04 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: marktwain

Timing is important with bear spray...

You must wait until it is about 10 feet away...

then spray it directly into your eyes so you can’t see it maul you.


15 posted on 10/24/2016 7:34:14 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: excalibur21

This is true, right here.

A black bear snuck up on me in leaves. Their fluffy little feet make no noise.

And I carry a 357mag in the woods.


16 posted on 10/24/2016 7:37:57 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: marktwain

Survival:

First, draw your FIREARM.

Then, if there’s still time, deploy bear spray.


17 posted on 10/24/2016 7:50:23 AM PDT by G Larry (Avoiding the Truth-Hillary's only expertise)
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To: excalibur21

I carry a Magnum Research in .500 S&W Magnum. I prefer single action. I reload my 440 grain hard cast gas checked bullets to about 1700fps. I have no doubt about its stopping power. A .44 will do the job. Im in Northern Idaho a few miles from MT border.


18 posted on 10/24/2016 7:54:38 AM PDT by davidb56
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To: riverrunner

riverrunner is correct. unholster that hogleg if you even feel a bear is near. You can always put it back.


19 posted on 10/24/2016 7:57:22 AM PDT by davidb56
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To: G Larry; davidb56; riverrunner

You guys are exactly correct.
We are talking about unpredictable wild animals here. We don't know what they will do.
There is no downside to drawing and simply reholstering if the threat goes away in the woods.

20 posted on 10/24/2016 8:20:03 AM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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