Posted on 03/16/2016 4:56:59 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
Many FReepers are clamoring to see Donald Trump choose Ted Cruz as his choice for Vice-President. Indeed, it is the ultimate selection, even better than when McCain chose Alaska Governor Sarah Palin for VP in 2008: Cruz is only in his mid-40s. He has a command of the Constitution and conservatism like no other Republican has had in a generation, and he is a skilled and polished debater who would absolutely eat his Democrat opponent for breakfast, lunch, and dinner and defecate them back out even before the VP debate begins.
Unfortunately, the only thing standing in Cruz's way is the very prestigious document that he has a firm command of: The U.S. Constitution.
Now, I don't want to hear about how "Well, Obama is President, so that means Cruz should, too!" You conveniently ignore the fact that we are dealing with leftists. Leftists like Hillary/Obama are immune from hypocrisy and double-standards. If Rafael "Ted" Cruz is handed the GOP nomination by the corrupt GOP leadership, or if he is selected for VP by Donald Trump, he will get utterly destroyed.
Let's recap:
- Rafael "Ted" Cruz was clearly born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
- Rafael "Ted" Cruz kept his Canadian citizenship and did not renounce it until May 2014 . Not 1984, not 1994, not even in 2004. But just 2 years ago.
- Rafael "Ted" Cruz's Mother may have held Canadian citizenship in 1970. In 1970, Canada did NOT allow dual-citizenship.
- Rafael "Ted" Cruz's Father did not become a naturalized U.S. citizen until 2005.
- His parents failed to file a CRBA form which is required by US law. Ted’s parents did not fill out the required form until 1986.
So there you have it. Don't get mad at me, Trump actually brought this up so Cruz would have the time to defuse it.
Here's what's going to happen:
- Wacko FL Congressman Alan Grayson will do the dirty work and file a lawsuit against Cruz for being on the ticket.
- Hillary Clinton and Obama will say that we all need to "stick to the issues" and not get caught up over "this birther nonsense."
- Behind the scenes however, Obama's DOJ, appointed leftist judges, the media, and various leftist activist groups will continue to feed the narrative and call on Cruz to "step down."
- Trump will be unable to push his message to the people, because he's going to be dealing with Cruz's eligibility distraction.
Now, I don't have a problem with Cruz being Trump's choice VP (Yes, I would still vote for a Trump/Cruz ticket, even though I hate Cruz for not defending Trump over the thugs who shut down his rally, even though he's a smarmy know-it-all who sold his soul to the GOPe, and even though that he'll get destroyed over his eligibility). So, Donald Trump should choose someone who is not only eligible, but will compliment him on the ticket as well (Duncan Hunter, Jr., IMO).
Doesn’t matter, if you hold the citizenship of another country ever, you are not an NBC as you have allegiance to another country.
You are stupid or crazy. Put the tin foil down and step away from the crack pipe.
Show me the law.
Eligibility Clause and it is called intent, which is documented. The intent of NBC was to prevent someone having allegiance to a foreign country from become President and thus CiC. An NBC would mean having allegiance only to the USA period. There is no question of allegiance for an NBC as their only allegiance from birth is to the USA.
Google it !
You’re the one making the accusation, so the onus is on you. And I’m guessing you’re ignorant of the fact that Canada has universal voter registration.
“The standard isn’t “citizen” it’s Natural Born Citizen. I n Article II the Founders require a totally a 100% American Pedigree. “...born of a country to parents who are its citizens....” “
The original text:
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Can you provide a link to where it’s modified to say what you posted?
Can you provide a link to where it’s modified to say what you posted?
Can you provide a link to where it was legally determined that Chester A. Arthur, or John McCain or George Romney weren't eligible to be President?"
That’s an interesting opinion. Has it been adjudicated?
Liberty Tree Surgeon: “...the years of on camera/tape Trump quotes about women, sexual exploits, and general douchebaggery will provide days of attack ads the likes of which we’ve never seen”
For whatever reason, Trump wears his personality well.
He is abrasive, but people love him for it!
Just as rude and profane comments will sink a Rubio but not Trump, likewise his less than squeaky clean history. People expect nothing else from Trump.
Trump is an ass-kicker, not a boy scout. But an ass-kicker is what this country needs right now. He is not Moses, instead he is a warrior like Joshua.
Trump is not like any other politician, when will people realize. The rules have changed.
I am unsure, but there is precedence to follow intent of law, especially when the intent is documented. 14th Amendment is a good example in the case of Native American Indians. The intent was understood and documented but not expressly written into the document, which is why it took another ~70 years before Congress enacted legislation to make American Indians citizens.
I am not sure I understand your position on this, so let me use your post as a platform for a response, just not personally to you.
It’s not about citizenship per se. It’s about The eligibility to be president/vice president of the United States, which is that to be eligible, you must be a “natural born citizen”.
You can be a citizen and NOT be a “natural born citizen”.
It is a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement. Immigration laws are passed by Congress. It takes a constitutional amendment to change the constitution. Congress can not legislate away a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement.
ONLY The United States determines U.S. citizenship issues. We don’t care what Canada’s or any other country’s laws say about an American’s citizenship. It has NO bearing.
It doesn’t matter if CANADA said Ted or his mother was a Canadian citizen or not. It has NO EFFECT on their U.S. citizenship. It only matters what the constitution and the laws of the United States say about it.
Does it make ANY sense that a FOREIGN country could mess with your U.S. citizenship? That a foreign country could pass laws that could take away your rights as a U.S. citizen? Of course not.
IGNORE any such talk. It has no relevance and only muddies the citizenship waters.
Let’s use Ted Cruz’s mother as an example. (I believe it has been shown that she WAS a U.S. citizen when Ted was born.)
Just for the sake of argument, let’s say there was a question about her citizenship.
The question wouldn’t be whether she was a CANADIAN citizen, WHO CARES? It is whether she was a UNITED STATES citizen. It is possible to be a dual citizen, many people are. It is NOT a disqualifier to U.S. citizenship in and of itself.
Canada apparently considered Ted a Canadian citizen. We don’t care if they did or not. It’s their country and their laws, they can do what they want.
We ONLY care about the U.S. constitution and U.S. laws. If Ted’s mom was a U.S. citizen when Ted was born, then Ted, according to immigration LAW (not the constitution) is a U.S. citizen. Canada be damned.
BUT...... this DOES NOT make him a natural born U.S. citizen.
The Law of Nations, Book 1, page 212:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
IN THIS country by parentS (plural) who ARE citizens.
Being born in a foreign country, to a Cuban citizen father, makes Ted a “natural born” CUBAN citizen. If Canada wants to claim him as well, since he was born on their soil. Maybe that is all they require? (I don’t know about Canadian law and we don’t care anyway).
So at his birth Ted was a Cuban, Canadian, and American citizen.
His U.S. citizenship is not affected by the other countries that claim him.
BUT, we are not talking about that! We are talking about the constitutional REQUIREMENT that to be ELIGIBLE to the office of president (Article II, Section 1, Clause 5) or vice president (Article XII, the last sentence), you MUST be a “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”. Not just a plain old citizen because your mom was a citizen, but a ...”born in the country, of parentS who are citizens”, citizen.
What difference does it make? The difference is that it is natural law as well as constitutional law. That’s why. The constitution is the SUPREME law of the land. It’s IMPORTANT!
Also, the founders/framers were worried that the power being given to one man, the president, who would be the commander and chief of the army, MUST be someone of undeniable loyalty to only the United States.
In a letter to George Washington, New York 25 July 1787, John Jay addressed this very question and it was adopted into the constitution.
...”Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
People of the time did not need to define the word “is” because everyone knew what it meant. Now we know, from Bill Clinton, that it actually depends what the meaning of “is” is.
Similarly, people of the time did not need to define the phrase “natural born citizen” because everyone knew what it meant. It was natural law adopted into our constitution. Now, since our education is so lacking that no one is taught about the constitutional requirements to be president.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, so they say.
I am supporting Trump but this is literally the dumbest thing on the internet.
“Can you provide a link to where it’s modified to say what you posted?”
Sure. Easy! Just read what you wrote...
“No Person except a natural born Citizen,” there is the standard.
Since there could be no Natural Born Citizens (...Born in a country to parents who are its citizens)in the new country just being formed by the Constitution they were writing, they provided a work around to that requirement....” or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;.....” I don’t believe anyone born before the Adoption of the Constitution is still alive. Do you? That leaves just Natural Bourn Citizens as being eligible.
Evidently you do not realize that NBC is an age old term used in Western Europe to describe..“...born of a country to parents who are its citizens....” The Founders felt no need to define a term that was in common usage at the time.
That exact definition has been quoted in several USSC decisions, most notably Minor v Happersett.
If you look up De Vattel’s Book “Law of Nations. Natural Law pub. 1757” you will discover that definition and the reason that NBC are so important to a nation. Note that the Preamble of the Constitution refers to Natural Law as being the basis for the Constitution.
“Can you provide a link to where it’s modified to say what you posted?”
It hasn’t been modified. There are NO “...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,.....” left alive are there now?
That just leaves Natural Born Citizens as being eligible.
Reading Comprehension is your friend.
“...born of a country to parents who are its citizens....”
I comprehend just fine. I was asking for a cite of that wording which is not in Article II of the Constitution.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text
Text of A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
III
110th CONGRESS
2d Session
S. RES. 511
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
April 10, 2008
Mrs. McCaskill (for herself, Mr. Leahy, Mr. Obama, Mr. Coburn, Mrs. Clinton, and Mr. Webb) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
April 24, 2008
Reported by Mr. Leahy, without amendment
April 30, 2008
Considered and agreed to
Prior to the 1934 NATURALIZATION Act Ted Cruz would not even be a citizen of the USA. The son of a Cuban born in Canada is NOT a natural born citizen of the USA.
Cruz is History anyway.
Hope he is AG then Supreme Court
GO TRUMP!
Just my druthers
“Can you provide a link to where it was legally determined that Chester A. Arthur, or John McCain or George Romney weren’t eligible to be President?”
Chester A Arthur hid the evidence of his ineligibility...proof that he knew he wasn’t eligible. It was never adjudicated, and no other cases have been adjudicated either. But you knew that so your question is merely rhetorical.
Neither of the other two were ever elected to the Presidency so the question is moot.
I would say, however, that McCain, born to 2 American citizen parents serving their country in a US owned Panama Canal Zone (As a US Nava; Officer) would be judged a Natural Born Citizen, based on the perception that US Soil lies beneath the boots of every US serviceman on his assigned station. The Senate, in examining McCain’s eligibility, said the same thing in a “Sense of the Senate” Statement.
“The U.S. recognizes two kinds of citizens — an (sic) two only: citizen at birth and naturalized citizen.”
A Natural Born Citizen IS a Born Citizen. NBC describes a specific QUALITY of some (most, but not all) Born Citizens.
While all Natural Born Citizens are Born Citizens, not all Born Citizens are Natural Born Citizens See USSC Wong Decision, and read the 14th Amendment.
Of the many ways you can be considered a Born Citizen, only those born “...in a country to parents who are it’s citizens,” are Natural Born Citizens. Like I said it’s a QUALITY of certain Born Citizenships.
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