The Six Laws of Survival: Strategies For Beating the Worst Case Scenario

SHFT Plan ^ | 1/7/16 | Jeremiah Johnson

[CodeToad]

I hate to tell you Archy, but colleges are filled to the brim with liberal “Cyber Security” degree students. The fed/intel is filling their ranks with liberals that think spying on their fellow Americans is patriotic and a way to validate and empower themselves. They have been brainwashed into thinking their fellow citizens are more of threat to the world than islam.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

What do you imagine a world in which TSHTF is like?

Me, I say when the farms stop producing, when your local grocery stores have nothing, when trucking & transportation is halted completely, when the grid goes down, when the water stops pumping, when hospitals and EMS’s run out of supplies and begin to start using the parking lot as operating space, when maraudering gangs declare open warfare on everybody and begin burning homes down, when whole invading armies coming invading killing everybody on site with prejudice, when these armies (or our own) begin to use biological and chemical warfare on everybody.

Not many people could survive those circumstances. The smell of decomposing bodies (not to mention their decay contaminating everything) alone would be enough to drive out even the most stubborn prepper. Again MHO.

Matthew 24:21-22 describes a holocaust not seen ever, or that anything comparable will happen remotely close to it’s destruction. If Christ doesn’t intervene when He will, nobody would survive.

He only says “the elect” will survive. That can be defined in several ways. But how they survive is thru Supernatural means, not on their own accord.

I never advocated zero prepping. I just think there’s a fine line between absurd quantities of food & supplies that will eventually expire and be useless and the idiot who has nothing but 3 days worth of food in his pantry.

[archy]

I couldn’t even imagine one tank round going through a house in my neighborhood or somebody letting some .50cal automatic fire spray down a street from side to side. Heck one round would go through two houses.

As a former tank crewman with combat experience in four wars on three continents I can tell you exactly what a tank main gun round will do to a house. Whether it redecorates one home or passes through several -not two- depends on whether the loader has chambered a high explosive round or an antitank penetrating round such as SHOT, HYPERSHOT or SABOT. When I was ten years old the school I was in was hit by .50 caliber fire, which punched through the concrete block exterior wall of the classroom across the hall from ours, through the wall with the hallway, through our hallway wall and the blackboard with the arithmetic questions for which I had failed to complete my homework and lucked out on getting caught [Yay!] and through our exterior wall, which was mostly glass windows, which chunks of our wall and blackboard pretty well opened. That was in 1958 Cuba, and that was the *good guys* Batista National Police returning fire directed at them from behind our school. When people talk silliness about *school shootings* you might imagine that I have a bit more of a first-hand experience than a good many of the blue-sky theorists.

NOBODY knows how fighting an armed organized invasion would shake out. I hope I never have to.

Nobody? Nobody at all? The Finns have a pretty good idea; in November of 1939 a Million and a half Soviet troops invaded their country, and their army only had a quarter-million men, 32 tanks and 114 aircraft. It was the coldest Winter of the century and the initial Russian force had been in their Summer dress uniforms, having been told they'd be welcomed as Socialist Heroes by the cheering throngs of Helsinki at their victory parade in a couple of weeks. Instead, four months later, the half-million survivors returned to their pismire empire and let the politicians try to steal what their military could not. In the words of one Finnish volunteer Maxim gunner of the period: They are so many and our country is so small- Where will we bury them all?

And, BTW, the Serbs who endured the April-May NATO bombing and occupation of the *former Yugoslavia* have a pretty good idea.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

I agree!

[archy]

Get yourself a sword or two and few cans o’ beans, beyond that you’re a fool.

Luke 12:16-21

Deuteronomy, 32;42.

[archy]

I hate to tell you Archy, but colleges are filled to the brim with liberal “Cyber Security” degree students. The fed/intel is filling their ranks with liberals that think spying on their fellow Americans is patriotic and a way to validate and empower themselves. They have been brainwashed into thinking their fellow citizens are more of threat to the world than islam.

Я не хочу сказать вам Арчи, но колледжей заполнен�‹ до краев с либеральн�‹ми "Cyber Security" студентов степени. ФРС / Intel заполняет свои ряд�‹ либералов, котор�‹е думают, шпионаже на своих собратьев американцев патриотический и способ для проверки и расширения прав и возможностей себя. Они б�‹ли мозги, думая, их сограждане больше угроз�‹ миру, чем ислам.

[CodeToad]

“absurd quantities “

Therein lies your short sightedness. There is no such thing as “absurd quantities”.

The more we have on our side the better. NOTHING will ever go to waste. In war everything is made use of, everything. You cannot possibly have too much. If single a person can’t use it, the community at large can.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Yes, The Lord will destroy His enemies.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

I can see your point if you trust your neighbors.
But if you have to move, and the logistics aren’t there to transport it, you’re out of gas/diesel what do you do?

We can play the “planning game” but many a general have died on the battlefield because their plans didn’t pan out.

I imagine many more keyboard commando’s dying for the same reason.

[MrEdd]

As opposed to which group that you think will survive?

I would say those who form armies with logistics components and set out to take their country back. Even throwing themselves into war, they will generally last longer than those who build little supply depots.

This memoir is pretty honest about how an unsupplied army forages.

[CodeToad]

So what if I have to leave anything behind? There may also exist the scenario that I don’t.

Having things means having options. Not having things means no options.

What’s next, claiming people shouldn’t have savings because they might die today and leave it all behind?

[central_va]

Learn to make beer and become the brewmeister. Nobody kills the brewmeister.

[Squantos]

Law two....... I will expose that soft pink center of the enemies shell every time..... skills sets versus weapons are present in active duty and retired military.....

[freeandfreezing]

If the organization already knew the identities, it would not have had to ask.

Not so simple as that. In order to successfully use the identity information in a domestic criminal prosecution the information collected must have been collected in a way which can withstand the defense challenges regarding how evidence was collected. That leads to subpoenas, etc. to obtain records from the website, or ISP.

But other means exist for gathering data regarding IP addresses associated with addresses, and the IP addresses and content of packets traveling to and from a particular server. And it is very likely that some of those means are being used on a daily basis by organizations involved in security efforts.

So you should assume as a starting point that your identity can be determined by a number of organizations. Whether or not they care about what you post is another question entirely.

[archy]

Law two....... I will expose that soft pink center of the enemies shell every time..... skills sets versus weapons are present in active duty and retired military.....

Experience and an evil sense of humour beats training and youthful *hoo-rah* enthusiasm every time. Case in point....

[piroque]

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You sure you want to say that on a public board ,were everyone can read it ? Icelandic

[CodeToad]

“they will generally last longer than those who build little supply depots.”

They will function on what logistics exactly? Fantasy guns-a-blazin doesn’t work in the real world. Inadequate logistics loses wars. Those supplies and logistics systems “preppers” have are the very supplies needed to win and survive any war.

[MrEdd]

Gee.

You haven’t looked at oil pumped out of the ground in your neck of the woods and at what is needed to set up a refinery to produce fuel to run ... not tanks or troop carriers but tractors and generators?

You haven’t been looking at arable land and calculating how much land could be returned to agriculture to feed people?

You haven’t been done the same work looking at the water supply, and at what can be done to keep your Aquafina from being tapped at other points?

Every one of these resources exists close to me, and I don’t live here by accident.

What about food distribution? If you are providing food you need not only enough security to guard it but enough security to identify bad actors and remove them in your distribution process.

Have you identified machinists, engineers, and chemists that you will need to make a functional economy?

These are not arcane or impossible tasks.
Nor are they things that are not being done.

All of them are more important than trying to build a little hole in the ground.

If you wish to try to live in a hole your best bet will be in urban centers. There is little agricultural use for them and logistically military forces would extract anything useful from them early on and bypass them thereafter. .

[Dick Vomer]

You missed my point. But that’s ok.

I’ve been shot at and missed. ONCE. I think if a blitz style occupation with telephones, cell phones and power cut it would be pretty hard to organize.

Fighting a guerilla war against an occupying force is a tough nut especially if your force isn’t trained and organized.

That’s my point. Organization, intel, and supplies and a will to win are what is needed. Otherwise it’s all just navel gazing.

[archy]

You missed my point. But that’s ok.

I do that at times. But when you miss one target, you sometimes nail another one nearby. Close does not only count in horseshoes; it works for hand grenades too.

I've been shot at and missed. ONCE. I

You have exactly the right idea. Wish I could say I had been missed about four times more than turned out to be the case.

Fighting a guerilla war against an occupying force is a tough nut especially if your force isn’t trained and organized.

Just so. And yet, some peoples have been doing so instinctively for generations. And with a couple years of training and some careful professional study, twelve American Special Forces troopers can take around 3000 sufficiently motivated but untrained locals and turn them into an irregular force that can tie down ten times their number. Those numbers can vary with circumstances and doctrinal changes, of course, but were the rule of thumb when I was wearing a green hat.

Leadership remains a toss-up: do the advisers run the show for the guerrilla force, or do they try to elevate a local with the right instincts and aptitude for the job? T.E. *Lawrence of Arabia* had some strong thoughts about that, and so does Major Hawk from Pineland.