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Schrödinger’s bacterium: physicists plan to put a microbe in two places at the same time
Why Evolution is True ^ | 9/17/15 | Jerry Coyne

Posted on 09/17/2015 5:05:55 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Schrödinger’s bacterium: physicists plan to put a microbe in two places at the same time

Okay, this is WAY above my pay grade, but I’ve been sent articles on this by several authors, including an explanation at the Guardian. It’s a description by two theoretical physicists of an experiment that uses quantum superposition to put a bacterium in two places at the same time. They plan to collaborate with experimentalists to actually carry it out. Here’s what the Guardian says about it:

The researchers plan to build on the work of others at the University of Colorado who showed in 2013 that a tiny, vibrating aluminium membrane could be placed in a superposition of states.

“We propose to simply put a small microbe on top of the aluminum membrane. The microbe will also be in a superposition state when the aluminum membrane is in a superposition state. The principle is quite simple,” Dr Li said.

The researchers plan to go one step further in a second experiment that would entangle the position of the microbe with the spin of an electron inside it. “The purpose of the second experiment is to make the system useful. It can be used to detect defects of DNA and proteins in a microbe, and image the microbe with single electron spin sensitivity,” Dr Li said.

Li said he hoped to conduct the experiment, but that leading scientists in the field had laboratories better equipped to take the project on, and that he hoped to collaborate with them. “If the top group in quantum electromechanics want to focus on doing this experiment, I think a microbe could be put into a superposition state in three years,” he said.

The experiment is proposed in a paper by Tongcang Li and Zhang-Qi Yin (full pdf here) placed at ArXiv before publication. The abstract:

Schrödinger’s thought experiment to prepare a cat in a superposition of both alive and dead states reveals profound consequences of quantum mechanics and has attracted enormous interests. Here we propose a straightforward method to create quantum superposition states of a living microorganism by putting a small bacterium on top of an electromechanical oscillator. Our proposal is based on recent developments that the center-of-mass oscillation of a 15-μm-diameter aluminium membrane has been cooled to its quantum ground state [Nature 475, 359 (2011)], and entangled with a microwave field [Science, 342, 710 (2013)]. A microorganism with a mass much smaller than the mass of the electromechanical membrane will not significantly affect the quality factor of the membrane and can be cooled to the quantum ground state together with the membrane. Quantum superposition and teleportation of its center-of-mass motion state can be realized with the help of superconducting microwave circuits. More importantly, the internal states of a microorganism, such as the electron spin of a glycine radical, can be prepared in a quantum superposition state and entangled with its center-of-mass motion. Our proposal can be realized with state-of-art technologies. The proposed setup is also a quantum-limited magnetic resonance force microscope (MRFM) that not only can detect the existence of an electron spin, but also can coherently manipulate and detect the quantum state of the spin.

And here’s the diagram of the experiment from the paper:

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Because this is all beyond my ken, I asked Official Website Physicist™ Sean Carroll for a comment on the feasibility of the experiment. (Note that Sean is giving the famous Gifford Lectures next year and has an intriguing Book on Everything coming out next May). His take:

As far as Schrödinger’s microbe is concerned — there’s no problem in principle, though I am quite dubious in practice. Quantum mechanics says that things can be in superpositions of different locations, and everything in the world (including bacteria) is governed by the rules of quantum mechanics, so it’s certainly conceivable.
The problem is that to count as a “superposition” you need to keep the system unentangled from the rest of the world — once the thing interacts with the environment, the superposition branches the whole wave function of the universe (the phenomenon known as “decoherence”). That’s why we can’t even imagine doing it for real cats; they’re always breathing and radiating heat and so forth, thereby interacting with their environments. It seems to me that the same would be true for a bacterium, or anything else that we would qualify as “alive” — unless you were talking about very short time periods indeed. (I’d be much less skeptical if it were a freeze-dried bacterium.) Note that the paper is a theoretical proposal, not an experimental result.
Well, I don’t fully understand this experiment yet (remember Richard Feynman’s dictum that if you think you understand quantum mechanics, you really don’t), but at least I understand it a bit more. Readers with physics expertise are invited to comment, explaining the design and its feasibility. Seriously!
And Matthew Cobb tells me that the experiment is being heavily discussed and criticized on Twi**er, noting, “Many people are saying in comments they don’t understand it and are suggesting authors don’t, either.” But he added this funny tw**t. I wonder if Deepak Chopra will tout this study as support for his woo.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: entanglement; microorganism; quantum; teleportation

1 posted on 09/17/2015 5:05:55 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Losers...

The 2014 election put hundreds of bacterium all over DC.


2 posted on 09/17/2015 5:11:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart ("The road is long...and I must poop." - Volarian Lionheart/Hero of the people)
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To: LibWhacker

my and a friend got a few six packs and tried this in the garage last week.

Didn’t pan out.


3 posted on 09/17/2015 5:11:53 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: LibWhacker

Uh ... wouldn’t cooling the bacterium to it’s quantum ground state kill it? At that temperature it wouldn’t be a bacterium anymore, it would be frozen solid ... heating it up after the experiment might kill it ...


4 posted on 09/17/2015 5:13:11 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: dp0622

One of those ‘hold-muh-beer’ moments, perhaps?


5 posted on 09/17/2015 5:14:02 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

I think we used the wrong elements. My hand is twice it’s usual size and I glow in the dark.


6 posted on 09/17/2015 5:16:00 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: LibWhacker

Ok, 66 references in a 7-page technical paper.


7 posted on 09/17/2015 5:29:59 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: LibWhacker

I’m not smart enough to figure out their theory but I’m thinking this stretches entanglement possibilities far beyond what has been observed. I just spent the day manually piecing a clients corrupted disk array back together, my brain is in no state to read anything technical


8 posted on 09/17/2015 5:30:56 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Ken522

That’s a good point. I don’t know. Can bacteria be reanimated after being frozen solid? So maybe technically it’s still alive, just dormant?


9 posted on 09/17/2015 5:32:57 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
i just did the experiment and succeeded.

I am in the State of California and simultaneously in the State of Confusion.

Ergo, to places at once time. This article succeeded in doing that to me.

So it must work!

10 posted on 09/17/2015 7:10:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: LibWhacker

11 posted on 09/17/2015 7:13:32 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: LibWhacker
That’s a good point. I don’t know. Can bacteria be reanimated after being frozen solid? So maybe technically it’s still alive, just dormant?

I don't know about bacterium. . . I'd thing that freezing them except by flash freezing them would be a bit hard on the cellular walls as the cytoplasm in them expanded beyond the containment. Now viruses might be able to survive freezing, but then there is debate whether viruses are alive or not in the first place.

12 posted on 09/17/2015 7:13:41 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Talisker

I signed aboard this ship to practice medicine, not to have my atoms scattered back and forth across space by this gadget.


13 posted on 09/18/2015 4:17:54 AM PDT by samtheman (2014: Voters elect Repubs to congress... 2015: Repubs defund NOTHING... 2016: Trump/(Cruz or Palin))
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To: dp0622

Funny. . .truly.


14 posted on 09/18/2015 7:09:31 AM PDT by Hulka
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