Concealed Carrier Robbed of Gun in Philadelphia

Gun Watch ^ | 20 August, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

In this screenshot, the robber has the pistol, which appears to be a semi-auto.  The robber is closest to the counter.  The red arrow points to the pistol.

It happened on August 17, 2015.  The concealed handgun carrier was robbed of his handgun in a strong arm robbery.  The story illustrates one of the disadvantages of concealed carry.  Concealed carry gives up tactical deterrence.   The robber did not know that the concealed carrier was armed, so he was not deterred from attacking him.  In this case, the element of surprise was to the advantage of the robber. 

The police statement.

 

The start of the attack.  The robber is very close.
 

 Two or three seconds into the attack.  The holstered pistol is on the floor.  It is not clear if an attempt to draw was made.   Both men fall down and wrestle on top of the pistol.  It is not clear if they know that it is there.
 

The combatants have broken apart and moved away from the counter.  You can see the holstered pistol on the floor between the mat and the base of the counter.
 

The attacker sees the pistol on the floor and goes for it.  He successfully retrieves it and manages to draw it  as shown in the top frame.

The victim counter attacks and keeps from getting shot.  The attacker runs out of the store with the pistol, pursued by the victim.

Link to video

Both open carry and concealed carry have advantages.  Sometimes one option works better than the other.   People use both options at the same time.  People should be able to choose which option they prefer, and make choices as they see fit.

Much has been made of two open carriers who robbed of their guns in the last decade.  One of those occurred where the open carrier's gun was required to be unloaded by law.  There have been two unsuccessful attacks on open carriers.

Concealed carriers have also been attacked, and have been successfully robbed of their guns.  This is the second instance so far this year.  The first occurred in April.  If an attacker believes you to be unarmed, you are more likely to be attacked.   People have recognized that reality for centuries.

Two hundred years ago, Thomas Jefferson quoted Cesare Beccaria's Essay on Crimes and Punishment.   Here is the English translation:

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."

Most defensive gun uses are not against other people armed with guns.  Most are against strong arm robberies, such as this one, or attacks with hands and feet or contact weapons such as knives and clubs.    According to FBI data, about one in five (21%) of aggravated assaults were committed with firearms.  About two in five robberies (41%) were committed with firearms.

Successful attacks against armed people are rare, against either concealed or open carriers.   They are so unusual that they make the news.

The examples reinforce the wisdom of having a retention system of some sort on a firearm holster, if simply for retaining the pistol during a fall or violent movements, such as may occur in an accident or during exercise.  Retention during a fight is even more important.

Situational awareness can prevent many of these attacks before they start.  Situational awareness is important whether open carrying, concealed carrying, or going about unarmed.


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[marktwain]

I have seen different versions of that. Often, the open carried gun has the safety on, or is in a retention holser, and the person carrying it has a back up gun (BUG) concealed on his person.

There have been some documented cased where the BUG was used successfully.

[KrisKrinkle]

“Let the robber grab your unladed gun, then nail him.”

If you kill someone under this circumstance, some prosecutors might charge you with premeditated murder because you made a gun you knew wasn’t loaded available to the shootee. The analogy might be that you laid a “booby trap” for him. Booby traps, especially lethal ones, are pretty much illegal.

[KrisKrinkle]

“Anyone not comfortable carrying a gun with a round in the chamber has no business owning a weapon.”

In your opinion of course. On the other hand, “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

[BigCinBigD]

Yes of course. Just my opinion. Best of luck.

[Manly Warrior]

Sorry, but the author is using an isolated incident to make a point- not very rational one at tht.

Open carry is fin if you want to put yourself I a posture that requires even more vigilance. What I mean is this- most OC types are not wearing uniform gear designed to thwart removal of the arm by anyone other than the wearer. Most OCers wear non-retention holsters and flimsy clothing-at least the ones I have been seeing locally. A guy in shorts, no belt, a tucked in T shirt and a nylon paddle type holster surrounding a 1911 in cocked an locked config. I thought for a moment of how easy it could be to disarm the guy- he never even looked back at e while in line-seemed to have no/little SA. Scary.

OC deterrent? I don’t really see it that way. YRMV, of course, and it is a free country.

I’ll continue to look aware, be aware and have a mindset that allows me to practice eye-contact, friendly vocabulary and assertive but comfortable demeanor and manner of dress and a smile as I semi-consciously assess how to neutralize you as I share the gospel of hope and salvation.....

Regards;