Posted on 08/11/2015 10:46:09 AM PDT by JOHN W K
Well, I see Ben Carson, just like a number of our establishment Republican candidates, is supporting a continuance of the socialist experiment of laying and collecting a federal tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes ___ and he even has invoked God in support of his proposed damnation!
In addition to circumventing our Constitution’s command requiring all direct taxes to be apportioned among the States, Carson’s tax reform keeps a patently evil power in our federal government’s hands that has been used over and over by our federal government for nefarious purposes, and has proven to be a major source of misery for hard working citizens and America’s businesses. So, why is Mr. Carson promoting income taxation?
Carson’s tax is a discriminatory tax in that it is laid directly upon the individual and measures the amount of tax the individual is to pay based upon their annual earnings which in effect commands our nation’s most productive citizens and businesses owners to finance the functions of government while the least productive citizen is not required to pay an equal share, or any share at all to support government! And yet, those who do not contribute an equal share to financing the functions of government are allowed to exercise a vote equal to those who do finance the functions of government.
Under our Constitution’s original tax plan, and with regard to direct taxes, the rule of apportionment provided a protection against the above mentioned abuse in that each state was required to pay a share of a direct tax proportionally equal to its representation. Under the rule of apportionment and whenever Congress decided to tax the people directly, as could happen under a capitation tax, it was to be an equal per capita type of tax, and not an unequal tax in which the most productive citizens would be forced to contribute an unequal share.
So, Mr. Carson apparently disagrees with our founder’s rule requiring representation with a proportional financial obligation. Or to put it another way, Carson apparently rejects the wisdom of one man one vote and one vote one dollar, and embraces a cornerstone of every socialist government.
Carson’s tax proposal is also arbitrary and capricious in another way. The definition of what is and what is not taxable “income” cannot be set in stone, and is left to never ending alterations and manipulations which are decided by a political majority in Congress. On the other hand, taxing consumption, which our founders intended to be Congress' primary source to fill our national treasury, is far less subject to abuse, and especially so because taxes paid on consumption are voluntarily paid by the manner in which one spends their money, and allows the market place to determine the limit of tax imposed upon every article chosen for taxation.
Carson’s tax also leaves the door wide open for government to use it as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes, while it is also used to reward the friends of big government. Have we not recently seen how this corruptible tax calculated from “incomes” has been used by political hacks in our federal government to attack freedom loving Americans and interfere with free speech?
If Ben Carson was sincere about real tax reform and took to heart the wisdom of our founding fathers, he would be talking about the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which is designed to bring us back to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our founders intended it to operate. Real tax reform begins with the following 32 words:
The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.
JWK
Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?
Another “compassionate conservative.”
I think it is very wrong that the IRS has any information about anyone, including our family status, children’s names, our income, our place of employment, our investments, etc..etc... This should never have been allowed to happen and should be removed. We, the people, are just giving way too much information and power to government, which is dominated by lifetime government employees, most often democrats.
We will not get rid of the federal tax all at once. Carson actually has a very good plan. Whether a sales tax is better than an income tax I have not decided. If the income tax is at a low rate then that is great. The threat is that years later someone will raise it back up. But the same threat remains with sales tax. Would there be sales tax on homes? What about retired people who have no income but must make some purchases? Or unemployed people. They still must make some purchases. Is it fair to completely remove it from income? I am not sure.
JWK
“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
And another one down, another one bites the dust...
Is there a link for this, or is it another vanity?
No President will get it all right though I”m not so sure he’s wrong on this. We are at a place in history where we have to stop nitpicking every proposal from a candidate’s mouth and look at who they are.
Obama would not be President if we’d done that.
“Lowering taxes for the very wealthy”? When did that happen? Never?
All I know for sure is, as a middle class American, I’m paying about 50% in taxes. Sales tax, gas tax, road tax, toll tax, license tax, tire tax, federal tax, county tax and soon carbon tax, section 8 tax, travel (milage) tax, global UN tax.
I traced it back to a post on a Ron Paul forum, but no further.
Carson is a newcomer to the GOP like Trump.
But, the post on that forum looks to be the same person who posted it here.
JWK, can you provide a link?
And, from Carson’s website:
“The American People Deserve a Better Tax Code
The current tax code now exceeds 74,000 pages in length. That is an abomination.
It is too long, too complex, too burdensome, and too riddled with tax shelters and loopholes that benefit only a few at the direct expense of the many.
We need wholesale tax reform.
And, we won’t get that from career politicians in Washington. They’re too deeply vested in the current system to deliver the kind of bold, fresh, new reforms that the American people are demanding.
We need a fairer, simpler, and more equitable tax system. Our tax form should be able to be completed in less than 15 minutes. This will enable us to end the IRS as we know it.”
https://www.bencarson.com/issues/tax-reform/
(I want to get rid of the income tax. But, that’s just me.)
I really don’t get this. Carson’s approach is as fair as possible IMO.
But wouldn’t states, to pay their “fair share”—and I’d just love to see how Mississippi, Alabama, and West Virginia would manage to do that, though residents in NY, CA, NJ, and MA would be kicking up their heels—in turn have to tax their own population?
And as to complaints about those unable to pay taxes being unable to vote, given the realities of our population currently, it sounds as if you really would be in favor of giving blacks a 3/5ths vote.
Call it a first step it beats the hell out of what we have now.
How does this proposal deep-six Dr. Carson?
I don’t know. I didn’t start this thread.
JWK
On that I agree completely!
JWK
JWK
“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
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