Posted on 05/22/2015 11:56:44 AM PDT by lifeofgrace
Let’s state the obvious:
We don’t know whether he is truly Saved or not. There is no way to know that about someone.
We don’t know whether he truly confessed his sin and asked for forgiveness. There is no way to know that about someone.
We don’t know if there are other victims.
All we know is what he did. He had to resign from a position when his deed left the darkness and came into the light. The Duggars took the place of honor at the “banquet” and had to be moved to a lesser place.
It’s amazing how right the Bible can be.
First of all he was not a “kid”- he was 14-15 years old at the time this took place. But his sisters were younger - 12, 10, 8 and 4 years old.
Next, I don’t know what kind of world you live in, but there is a very big difference between a boy or teenager out on a date with a girl (hopefully not his sister) and perhaps doing something like putting his arm around his date and sort of accidently on purpose brushing her breast (i.e. copping a feel) and an older brother sneaking into the bedrooms of his own sisters on multiple occasions and fondling their genitals – not just their breasts but their “nether regions”, including that of his 4 year old sister while they are sleeping.
The former is normal teenage boy behavior; the latter would be molestation bordering on incest.
It’s not a matter of celebration, far from it.
It is what some have expected; that the skeletons would start coming out of the closet at some point.
Despite the portrayals as the perfect, Christian family there is no such thing. Many became invested in the family as a shining example of Christian family values and anytime you follow that mindset you will eventually be disappointed regardless of how closely the family follow those values. As others have pointed out; everyone including them are human and will sin.
The telling will be how they handle the situation now that it has come out. So far, I don’t believe they have handled this too well.
Hear, hear! This was an ill-advised article (or blog piece). And I'm getting tired of bloggers who continually write sentence long paragraphs.
who was raped?
At least one of his sisters was digitally penetrated.
“who was raped?”
Each of the children whose genitals he touched.
14 and 12 year olds fondling each other is not necessarily rape, and it was not characterized as such. Perhaps you never engaged in fondling of anyone when you were an adolescent, in which case you are at least as moral as or more moral than average. If an adult fondles a 12 or 14 year old, that is certainly a sexual assault; but when 12 to 14 year old children fondle each other, it is immoral and sinful but NOT necessarily assault. Based on the information available in this case, those quick to label Josh a "sex offender" and a hypocrite are far more hypocritical in their own self-righteousness.
What about a 14yr old fonding a 4yr old.
That’s not ‘playing doctor’.
Normal 14yr old boys aren’t interested in their 4yr old sisters sex organs.
“14 and 12 year olds fondling each other is not necessarily rape,”
He was 14 his victims were as young as 4.
The girl involved was not his sister. Some twittering tweet-head threw that out there, but it has nothing to do with the actual event that has been reported. Also, when a child fondles another child, that does not make him a child molester -- or a sex offender.
Before you put any more of these labels on Josh, ask yourself this question: Did you ever do anything as a child or in your youth (say from age 8 to age 16) to another child in the same age range that would be a far more serious immoral or even criminal act if you did as an adult to a child or adolescent?
Only the Lena Dunaham’s of the world.
The police report is out there.
There were a total of 5 victims. 4 of them were his sisters.
One of them was four years old at the time and is still a minor at this point.
BUT, a 14 year old sneaking into his sisters rooms and fondling/penetrating them is not normal behavior and indicates more than just “teens being teens” behavior.
I groped when I was 14. Had my sons felt up a girlfriend when they were 14, I would have ripped them and warned them about the dangers. Had they done that to their 8 year old sister, my wife would have had to have restrained me from knocking them out. At the very least, we would have reported it and sent them straight to counseling. They would have been monitored and boundaries in place for the rest of their lives.
This moves beyond exploring sexually, and is a symptom of something gone wrong in his brain that is almost impossible to cure. I feel bad for the family, but that is the simple reality. Their son has a problem beyond just simple sex issues. You don't grow out of pedophilia tendencies.
Also despicable.
Reading her accounts of activity with her sister starting at a very young age my only question is ‘who molested her, when, and for how long’.
Ditto Josh.
“Before you put any more of these labels on Josh, ask yourself this question: Did you ever do anything as a child or in your youth (say from age 8 to age 16) to another child in the same age range that would be a far more serious immoral or even criminal act if you did as an adult to a child or adolescent? “
Sorry, but 14 is not in the same age range as 4.
Thanks for posting this......I happen to agree.
However, your thread will be torn apart......they are waiting in the wings to pounce.
Good luck!
“If you do not think that is rape...”
It’s not about what I think, that is a word with a pretty clear definition, isn’t it?
That said, those celebrating the revelations and labeling him are guilty of the same or worse hypocrisy.
Yeah, one young kid copping a feel on another kid didn’t used to be called “molestation”. It wasn’t acceptable behavior, but it wasn’t something that got people labeled a sex predator.
Did you ‘cop a feel’ on your sisters? The other one was a relative who used to spend a lot of time with the family, sleeping on the couch when staying over.
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