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CRUZ or LOSE!
Posted on 04/29/2015 12:45:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The thing that always irks me about their "water the tree of liberty" types is their sheer stupidity. Seriously, you think you and your buddies are going to play Red Dawn against the full might of the U.S. government? Where do you suppose all that defense budget money went, folks?
And now we have Ted Cruz, egging them on. Dear sweet Jesus, this man has no conscience. Via Talking Points Memo:
WASHINGTON — It's a given that every Republican presidential candidate will run for president as a strong supporter of gun rights.
But Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is arguing that the Second Amendment includes a right to revolt against government tyranny, a point of emphasis uncommon for mainstream presidential candidates.
"The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution isn't for just protecting hunting rights, and it's not only to safeguard your right to target practice. It is a Constitutional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny -- for the protection of liberty," Cruz wrote to supporters in a fundraising email on Thursday, under the subject line "2nd Amendment against tyranny."
This "insurrectionist" argument, as Second Amendment expert and UCLA law professor Adam Winkler calls it, is popular among passionate gun owners and members of the National Rifle Association. But major party candidates for president don't often venture there.
"Most presidential candidates who support Second Amendment rights focus on self defense. In the past many have also emphasized hunting," said Winkler, author of the 2011 book Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America. "It's pretty rare for a presidential candidate to support the right of the people to revolt against the government."
Nor has the Supreme Court recognized a Second Amendment right to revolt against the government, Winkler said. In the landmark 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, the Court established an individual's right to possess a gun for lawful purposes like self-defense.
Fiery rhetoric is a trademark for Cruz, who is battling to win over Republican voters in a crowded primary field where he has trailed Jeb Bush, a former Florida governor, and Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin, so far in early polls.
Cruz declared that he's "the only candidate running for President who not only believes in the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms -- but has the record of fighting for it, tooth and nail."
I'm not sure about that, but even if that's the case, they're paid by the taxpayers. That's us.
I’m not sure about that, but even if that’s the case, they’re paid by the taxpayers. That’s us.
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They are paid by the administration in power.
I'm aware it's been TRIED. And I don't think one has to necessarily be Christian to hold to one's oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Most military people understand the treason and cowardice of liberals, which is why most military people are not liberals.
Who do you think the front-line soldier is going to side with when the shooting war starts?
They are paid by tax dollars. And I suspect very few military folks work solely for the money.
Because, you know, anyone resisting government by force will first make sure to get the go-ahead from that very government. [eyeroll] No wonder these doofi think "No Guns Allowed" signs will deter people already intent on breaking a ton of laws.
I take that to mean that there are many officers that are loyal to the constitution rather than the dictator.
Rectum? Hell, damn near killed em!
They are paid by tax dollars. And I suspect very few military folks work solely for the money.
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I agree that they are funded by tax dollars. I have seen little historical evidence that armies who are told to go after citizens, decline or revolt. If it is between a military life and a citizen life, citizen loses.
Think of the Soviet Union Nazis and the militaries of most of the troubled African countries, and China and Central America.
In this post of hers, it certainly sounds like Susie wants a civil war to go hot!
“At What Point Do We Shoot The Gun Nuts?”
“Perlstein doesn’t mention the big honkin’ elephant in the room: Namely, at what point does the federal government literally go to war with its own citizens? Because we’re not talking about bank robbers here, we’re talking about (mostly) non-criminal cranks — scofflaws and political malcontents. So what line has to be crossed in the good old U.S. of A. before we start mowing them down to make our point? Because you can’t talk about the Bundy ranch without talking about Ruby Ridge, and Waco.”
“So here’s the political corner into which we’ve painted ourselves.”
“Do we have the ATF and BLM agents roll up in armored tanks? Do we use drone strikes? I can see the administration’s reluctance to have that confrontation — after all, it’s not as if gun control advocates were flooding the White House switchboard, screaming to ‘take them out!’ And then we do have the militia types all over the country, just waiting for an excuse to start their own local uprising. These assholes want a civil war so bad, they can taste it.”
“Some days, I wonder: Should we let them, and just get it over with? You know, settle the burning question about whose is bigger.”
Lol, I think a couple dozen Cowboys on horseback scared the Libs running the BLM and the Whitehouse staff!
My personal opinion is that the Feds knew that one dead cowboy might mean them facing a million armed and pissed off people the next day with another million or two “on the way” from as far as Maine and Hawaii.
If they weren’t armed, do you think the Feds would have hesitated to bust some heads, I don’t.
My Gawd man, with a mug like that she doesn’t need a gun. Perhaps a very large muzzle and rabies shot however.
America’s Founders on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms:
“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature. … it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defense of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.”
– Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting, Nov. 20, 1772
“The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them.”
– Samuel Adams, Debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (February 6, 1788)
“... whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...”
– Samuel Adams, Constitutional Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788 (also attributed to A Federal Farmer, the anti-federalist)
“To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace. A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.”
– George Washington, First Annual Message to Congress; Federal Hall, New York City (January 8, 1790)
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity...will respect the less important and arbitrary ones... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, quoted from Enlightenment philosopher Cesare Beccaria’s On Crimes and Punishment, 1764; translated by Jefferson and copied into his Commonplace Book of great quotations.
“No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms ...”
– Thomas Jefferson, Draft Constitution for Virginia; June 13, 1776
“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them …”.
– Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775
“...in this country, every man is a militia-man...”.
– Thomas Paine, The American Crisis series, # 9, dated June 9, 1780
“...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” “No free government was ever founded or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state.... Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen.” “The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.”
– Patrick Henry, from debates during the Constitutional convention (later quoted with approval by George Washington), as quoted in Elliot’s Debates, 1836
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.”
— Patrick Henry (in the Virginia ratifying convention)
“Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.”
– James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution, Federalist # 46
“[A] government resting on a minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.”
— James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution
“...the loyalists in the beginning of the late war, who objected to associating, arming and fighting, in defense of our liberties, because these measures were not constitutional. A free people should always be left... with every possible power to promote their own happiness.”
- James Monroe, President of the United States
“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government.”
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist # 28
“Little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped...” “...an excellent body of well trained militia ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens.”
– Alexander Hamilton, Federalist # 29
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
— Benjamin Franklin
“[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia.” “I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor; but they may be confined to the lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the higher classes of the people. If we should ever see that day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines may be expected. Under the present government, all ranks of people are subject to militia duty. Under such a full and equal representation as ours, there can be no ignominious punishment inflicted. But under this national, or rather consolidated government, the case will be different. The representation being so small and inadequate, they will have no fellow-feeling for the people.”
– George Mason, from debates during the Virginia state ratifying convention
“Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
— George Mason
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to the unjust and oppressive.”
– Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (October 17, 1787)
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms. The Constitution ought to secure a genuine militia and guard against a select militia, by providing that the militia shall always be kept well organized, armed, and disciplined, and include...all men capable of bearing arms. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” “... of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trial by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms.... If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny.”
– Richard Henry Lee, Letters From The Federal Farmer (1788)
“That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit.”
– Richard Henry Lee, proposed by the Virginia delegation to the Constitutional Convention (defining the phrase “well-regulated militia” which was used exactly in the final draft of the Second Amendment); and suggested in their state ratification debates, June 1788, to clarify the right.
“The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people.”
– Fisher Ames, letter to F.R. Minoe (June 12, 1789)
“That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals...”.
– Samuel Bryan, during debates on ratification of the Constitution in the Pennsylvania assembly
“The power of the sword is in the hands of Congress? My friends and countrymen, it is not so; for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The Militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the Militia? They are not ourselves as politicians and lawmakers. They are those who have elected us into our positions and entrusted us with the power of preserving and carrying out their wishes. Congress has no power to disarm the Militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the Federal or State governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
– Tenche Coxe, letter to James Madison during adoption of the Bill of Rights in the United States Congress (1789)
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men...”
— The Declaration of Independence
thanks for those. I carry those in my wallet.
meanwhile, most politicians now days just talk about hunting ducks and deer.
Good Lord, is that Helen Thomas’s tranny sister?
For now, but these purges will eventually take their toll. They have seriously damaged the Military. They are even now doing training projecting "Tea Party" types as enemies. There is an operation scheduled to circulate undercover troops amongst the civilian population.
Our military is becoming increasingly F***ed up.
Ted Cruz Ping! Susie peaked as a high school reporterette.
Hi, Susie.
Color me unsurprised
Susie, you may not be so eager to "let them". Our second civil war will not be on polite little battlefields in far away places. It will be hunters, with scoped rifles, and experience, putting a round through your family's window. Putting you down increases their morale, and decreases your side's morale, since you are a voice for the other side. Morale is a "force multiplier", and thus killing you as you pull into your driveway does far, far more for their cause than standing toe-to-toe with an army. It will also be roving gang of urban thugs, looking to accumulate what they want and need. They will not care one whit about your liberal credentials, by the way.
(Hint: Both the hunters and the thugs have been paying attention to asymmetrical warfare in the Middle East, and they've learned that the big bad American military can be fought to a standstill, or better, even by a rag-tag bunch of 14th Century cowards.)
In your lovely ivory tower, you seem to think that this mental exercise will be sterile and safe and easy, since your entire life has been that way (despite your likely insistence that you've been a victim of some oppression at some point). Trust me, when the real shooting starts, and you have only the four-day supply of food in your pantry to last you for 6-20 months because no stores will be able to open, and you'll have no gas for your car, and no job to go to, and no internet to write your thoughts upon, and your neighbors who have always cheered your postings will show up at your door (whether you are there or not) to take what they need and they think you have (violently if you refuse), then you'll regret your remarks... that is, up until that rifle scope takes a peek at you. I truly doubt that anyone on either side of the fight will miss you much. Why do I say this? Because even if your side wins, history has shown, repeatedly, that in the immediate aftermath of this kind of fight, your side quickly starts killing off the educated elites... and I'm betting that you have firmly and publicly ensconced yourself in that group, and everyone on your side knows it. Just a little historical FYI for you. Win or lose, you're a very desirable target for elimination. Your only place of safety is in making sure that this fight does NOT happen. Once it does, you had better hope that you're able to find a safe place, likely very far away, and that transportation routes haven't been shut down yet. You might have about 8-12 hours to get there. Good luck.
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