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AR: Permit holder wins Gunfight with 20 Shots of 5.7
Gun Watch ^ | 18 April, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/18/2015 9:43:18 AM PDT by marktwain


 A Five-Seven pistol was successfully used for self defense in Arkansas on April 13, 2015.  More than 20 rounds were fired, 20 of them being fired by a permit holder armed with what appears to be an FN 5.7 pistol.  The casing on the left is being held by Henry Richards, who witnessed some of the gunfight.  If you look at the casing closely, it is clear that it is a 5.7.  The identifying characteristics are the rimless base shown by the extractor groove on the bottom, and the beginning of the bottleneck shown at the top.  An additional indicator is that the magazine capacity was 20, standard with the FN pistol.

The pistol, developed by FN Herstal in Belgium, has become popular in the United States for its low recoil and flat shooting cartridge and 20 shot capacity in a pistol that only weighs 26 ounces.


From thv11.com:
Conway Police say 34-year-old James Allen was the victim of an attempted armed robbery outside a home on Joyner Drive. Allen didn't want to speak on camera but told THV11 he was walking to his car when two men approached him demanding money. When he reached for his gun they shot first. He returned fire and starting running away. According to a police report Allen fired more than 20 rounds in the middle of the street.  

In the screenshot below, Henry Richards illustrates how his neighbor, James Allen, retreated down the street, firing as he ran.  He is said to have fired the complete magazine of 20 rounds.  Notice that the end of the street is a heavily wooded tree line.  The 5.7 is also noted for losing energy quickly, due to its light weight bullets.



Only two of the bullets appear to have caused any collateral damage, and the damage was slight.   One bullet hit a garage, the other struck Allen's own car.
One of the bullets struck a garage and the other struck Allen's car. A Conway police spokesman says they don't have any suspects right now. Allen did provide a concealed carry permit to police and is not facing any charges.
Richards knows Allen, and showed how Allen was firing.  Richards believed the shooting to be justified.


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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: ar; banglist; ccw; fiveseven
The Five-Seven is relatively pleasant to shoot, but is loud, with quite a muzzle flash.
1 posted on 04/18/2015 9:43:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Did he hit anything he was aiming at?


2 posted on 04/18/2015 9:46:54 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: marktwain

Both of which can be a plus in a gunfight or when dealing with a home invader...


3 posted on 04/18/2015 9:49:05 AM PDT by Kozak (Walker / Cruz 2016 or Cruz/ Walker 2016 Either one is good...)
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To: marktwain

This seems like the perfect zombie caliber.


4 posted on 04/18/2015 9:49:52 AM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: marktwain

Two Five-seveN’s were used by major Hassan in the Ft. Hood massacre.


5 posted on 04/18/2015 9:53:23 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: marktwain

I believe that the FN 5.7 is the same handgun used by the Fort Hood shooter in his personal Jihad.


6 posted on 04/18/2015 9:55:20 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Truth29

From the article it doesn’t sound like it.


7 posted on 04/18/2015 10:09:39 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: marktwain

I guess you might as well use a light caliber if you’re not going to hit anything.


8 posted on 04/18/2015 10:15:27 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: marktwain

—the modern day .22 Hornet-—


9 posted on 04/18/2015 10:48:11 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Out of a pistol, it has the ballistics of a .22 magnum from a rifle.

A friend of mine knew/predicted this development back in the late 90’s. He had gone to Europe to research a book on the CZ 52 that he wrote.

I have a signed copy, somewhere.

He married a Mexican woman, and later moved to Mexico. He carried a Czech Scorpian 7.65x17 machine pistol for personal defense there, because he could. He made connections with the police by doing maintenance on their firearms.

In the U.S., he carried a Glock model 20 10mm.


10 posted on 04/18/2015 11:07:32 AM PDT by marktwain
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I didn’t know that Lemme from Motorhead lived in Conway!


11 posted on 04/18/2015 11:08:03 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: marktwain

This is a great review of the FN
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/08/robert-farago/gun-review-fn-five-seven/


12 posted on 04/18/2015 12:36:35 PM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: marktwain

Yea, it’s pretty loud.people at the indoor range always wonder what I’m
Shooting when I pull it out to plink a little.


13 posted on 04/18/2015 12:45:42 PM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: ansel12

.22 tcm is very similar.


14 posted on 04/18/2015 5:00:06 PM PDT by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." — John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1986-)
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To: marktwain

If you want to introduce/train a new shooter the 5.7 is a great gun.

I helped a woman friend and she hated the .38 but loved the 5.7. I weapon she would like to train with and continue to use too.


15 posted on 04/18/2015 7:31:48 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Hey, hey, GayKKK. Who you gonna lynch today?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I like to use a .22 LR in an accurate semi-auto for training new shooters. I would like to try using that combination with a gun muffler (suppressor), but have not done so yet.


16 posted on 04/19/2015 2:20:18 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

See. I wouldnt sound like half as bad a shot as this clown if I missed all 6 of my .357 mag.

The snubbie makes for quite the muzzle flash and I would characterize it as “loud”.


17 posted on 04/19/2015 2:31:00 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: marktwain
I have one myself and love shooting it, but ammo's sort of expensive. Nice, flat trajectory, lots of noise and very little recoil. Loads of fun.

As a self-defense piece, though, I'm a little less enthusiastic. The difficulty is that the terminal ballistics of the bullet are hindered by the shortness of the pistol barrel - the cartridge was actually designed for a longer-barreled submachine gun and the pistol was something of an afterthought. The upshot is that most of the rounds I've chrono'ed come in at quite a bit less than the advertised 2000 fps, which is near the minimum you need for supercavitation. Moreover, the ammunition commonly available for civilian use isn't the stuff originally designed for - the SS-190 is technically armor-piercing and as such available only to military and law-enforcement. HERE is an interesting gunblog article on the topic.

Nevertheless, hit what you're shooting at and it can get the job done. And it is nice to carry 20 rounds per mag. It might not be my go-to gun for a gunfight but then there isn't a perfect one anyway.

18 posted on 04/19/2015 2:31:57 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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