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Gun Turn In 'Buy Back': Homemade Shotguns for Cash
Gun Watch ^ | 13 April, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/14/2015 6:54:08 AM PDT by marktwain


In an unnamed gun 'buy back' that is reported to have occurred in June of 2014, These four homemade slam fire shotguns were turned in for cash.  The piece of pipe that acts as a barrel slides in the front.   It is much like the slam fire shotguns that were developed and used in guerrilla fighting in the Philippines in WWII.  From countercurrentnews.com:

The self-described “gun rights activist,” who we are not naming, brought in a duffel bag full of home made, “slam-fire” shotguns (all of legal length). He was paid $50 for each of these improvised guns. This low ball price shows just how unrealistic it is for anyone but criminals to turn guns in to the police when they have these buy back programs.
Maybe an alert reader can ID the gun turn in where this occurred.   There was a turn in event in New York in June of 2014, but I do not know if that is the same as this one.  Still, $200 for a couple of hours of work and $30 worth of pipe is a worthwhile project.

Across the country, communities, police departments and churches are sponsoring gun turn-ins to get "guns off the street". At many of these events, private buyers are showing up, offering cash for the more valuable guns. These private additions to the public turn-in are effective, no doubt, in getting more guns off the street, because they add to the resources that are available to those who want to get rid of guns for something of value, be it a grocery card or a number of twenty dollar bills.

You can help make the turn-in in your area more effective by standing on the curb with your "Cash for Guns" sign, or at a folding table, willing to offer more than the gift card for firearms that are more valuable. It would be best if numerous private parties were available, as more good guns could then be transferred into responsible hands.

This action serves many useful purposes. It stretches the turn-in budget so that more guns can be taken off the street. It helps keep fearful widows from being defrauded of most of the market value of the gun they are turning in. It prevents valuable assets from being destroyed by bureaucratic inflexibility. It is a win-win-win situation. The ideal situation for those organizing the turn in would be to allow private buyers to purchase the valuable guns, while having the organizers take the cheap guns "off the streets". As these events are ideologically driven, that seems unlikely, but it might be worth an attempt at outreach. All parties would benefit.

Private buyers dispel the pernicious message that guns are bad and should be destroyed.

Link to potential legal risk of buying a gun at one of these events

Link to article with numerous examples of private sales at gun turn in events

Link to an article about private buyers at Detroit event

Link to Phoenix Article: pictures of private buyers


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; buyback; homemadeguns; turnin
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To: rickomatic

9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for resale?
Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.atf.gov%2Ffiles%2Ffirearms%2Findustry%2F0501-firearms-top-10-qas.pdf&ei=pbktVdKtK4OgNv2eg6AI&usg=AFQjCNExovh7ZCOmoCqX30t7DidvmaYDtA&sig2=qA2hAgzV2_uuukpgoYkU8A&bvm=bv.90790515,d.eXY&cad=rja


41 posted on 04/14/2015 6:06:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (True followers of Christ emulate Christ. True followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
9. May I lawfully make a firearm for my own personal use, provided it is not being made for resale? Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms.

Making a firearm. "For sale" is not the same as selling a homemade firearm. It is a subtle difference, but a difference, non the less. This has been discussed endlessly on all of the gun builder forums I've been on. No one ever had an example of someone charged with selling a "homemade" firearm. People who made and sold on a regular basis, yes. But that was because they were considered illegal manufacturers.
42 posted on 04/14/2015 7:06:13 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: rickomatic

I doubt that the ATF will care about the subtlety.


43 posted on 04/14/2015 7:09:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (True followers of Christ emulate Christ. True followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thanks, I see now that the legal length mentioned in the article would imply there is a longer barrel element missing in the photo. That would facilitate the chamber and slamming action. Certainly easier to reload, too.


44 posted on 04/14/2015 10:28:42 PM PDT by xander
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“I doubt that the ATF will care about the subtlety.”

I have heard that a number of federal prosecutors are not taking any short barreled shotgun cases because of this mess. I do not have sources, other than it was told to me while discussing this issue at the NRA annual meeting.

It is not a crime that has a lot of prosecutions in any case.


45 posted on 04/15/2015 6:06:22 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Here is a snippet from a response to a letter to BATFE specifically asking about disposition of a homemade firearm. If you google "selling a homemade firearm" and "practical machinist" (the forum it was posted on" you will find copies of the original letter. The only thing I was unaware of was the need to mark it if sold. Other than that, as you can see, right from the horse's mouth, you can, indeed transfer to a 3rd party legally.

Also, for your information, a nonlicensee may manufacture a semiautomatic rifle for his or her own personal use. As long as the firearm remains in the custody of the person who manufactured it, the firearm need not be marked with a serial number or name and location of the manufacturer. However, if the firearm is transferred to another party at some point in the future, the firearm must be marked in accordance with the provisions set forth in 27 CFR § 478.92 (formerly 178.92).
46 posted on 04/15/2015 8:04:18 AM PDT by rickomatic
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