With a range of about 300-400 miles (480-640km) and a tank that can be filled in a matter of minutes, Toyota is hoping FCEVs can give conventional electric vehicles (EVs) a run for their money.
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This is impressive but they don't talk about cost so these are likely in the same price range as the Tesla without having its good looks.
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"In Japan we have a three-year waiting list for the car - demand is outstripping supply," says Toyota's Nik Pearson.
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Judging by the demand for the hydrogen cars in Japan--these cars are going to steadily gain traction and as they do so--their price points will come down.
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Earlier this year, Toyota announced that it would share nearly 6,000 of its hydrogen fuel cell patents in a bid to boost FCEV development.
The patent portfolio covers fuel cell stacks, high-pressure hydrogen tanks, software control systems and the industrial processes involved in generating and supplying the gas
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Looks like they are copying Tesla's offer to open up their patents.
1 posted on
03/21/2015 5:36:00 PM PDT by
ckilmer
To: ckilmer
Hydrogen also goes BOOM!!! if you don’t handle it carefully. Or if you decide to do other things with it. As to filling up cars with it and using it as fuel. I dunno. The Hindenburg comes to mind.
2 posted on
03/21/2015 5:38:49 PM PDT by
jmacusa
(Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
To: ckilmer
At least the article doesn't pretend that there are some miracle hydrogen wells out there from which you can get hydrogen without supplying a lot of energy splitting it apart from the molecules containing it.
5 posted on
03/21/2015 5:41:15 PM PDT by
KarlInOhio
(Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)
To: ckilmer
Non-engineers know that hydrogen is the way to go.
Why are engineers so stupid?
6 posted on
03/21/2015 5:41:56 PM PDT by
E. Pluribus Unum
(If obama speaks and there is no one there to hear it, is it still a lie?)
To: ckilmer
"We're a commercial business - we're not going to build a hydrogen network just for the good of mankind. So we're going to need subsidy from the government."
Of course you'll need a subsidy -- Yeah, I remember my grandfather telling me about all the government subsidies that went into building gas stations when gasoline-powered cars were just coming to market. NOT!!
8 posted on
03/21/2015 5:42:24 PM PDT by
Bob
(Violence in islam? That's not a bug; it's a feature.)
To: ckilmer
If this makes headway, the IPCC will highlight the dangers of too much man-made water vapor in the atmosphere, the EPA will declare water vapor as a pollutant, and SCOTUS will agree.
To: ckilmer
13 posted on
03/21/2015 5:47:25 PM PDT by
PieterCasparzen
(Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
To: ckilmer
There is no such thing as "fossil fuels."
Oil and its associated by-products are continuously made through Earth's natural axis rotation and other geological forces.
To: ckilmer
“... Hydrogen reacts explosively with oxygen....”
Luckily oxygen in not a common element to be found in the environment.
33 posted on
03/21/2015 6:04:50 PM PDT by
RetiredTexasVet
(We're depending on a dept. to negotiate a nuclear arms treaty that can't even run a email system.)
To: ckilmer
Isn’t Dihydrogen Monoxide a green house gas ?
Yeah I thought so.
/sarc
38 posted on
03/21/2015 6:12:46 PM PDT by
Ouderkirk
(To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
To: ckilmer
Do you enjoy sitting on your pair of 10,000 psi, three-layer, carbon-reinforced plastic hydrogen storage tanks? "What? Me worry?"
51 posted on
03/21/2015 6:43:46 PM PDT by
ProtectOurFreedom
(For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
To: ckilmer
56 posted on
03/21/2015 7:06:06 PM PDT by
4Liberty
(Prejudice and generalizations. That's how Collectivists roll......)
To: ckilmer
The prices is about $47k. Pretty steep, but the price point will come down. It’s starting to look more affordable and practical. Minutes to fill beats hours. My guess is the price of the fuel will be ridiculously high.
64 posted on
03/21/2015 7:23:26 PM PDT by
Vermont Lt
(When you are inclined to to buy storage boxes, but contractor bags instead.)
To: DUMBGRUNT
66 posted on
03/21/2015 7:29:35 PM PDT by
mountn man
(The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
To: ckilmer
68 posted on
03/21/2015 7:36:01 PM PDT by
JimSEA
To: ckilmer
Hydrogen is not abundant on earth, because it bonds chemically with almost everything else to the right of it on the periodic chart, save the noble gases.
Hydrogen is not a fuel. It is an energy storage medium. It costs energy-- which is money-- to separate hydrogen from water or other compounds. Only part of that energy is regained when hydrogen is burned in a heat engine or used in a fuel cell. Because of entropy, you will NEVER get it all back.
The hydrogen economy is a foolish dream, fueled by government power instead of common sense, using money that the government siphons off the economy in a massive-scale Ponzi scheme.
It is sad that such is being promoted here on Free Republic.
To: ckilmer
What is the cost? What does it cost to fill a 400 gal tank? I drive about 20 miles or less per day...so a tank would last me almost 3 weeks. What would the cost be?
I’m sure the politicians will tax the hell out of it.
To: ckilmer
The car cost US 73,000. Cheap?
“It takes 4.72kWh to produce a liter stored as a liquid at 20K.” That is one answer to how much power it will take to produce one gallon of liquid hydrogen. Or to put it another way: wind and solar are out, large coal and nuclear power plants are in.
Perhaps the long awaited release of a working thermonuclear commercial power plant from Lockheed’s Skunk Works will make this a practical reality.
99 posted on
03/22/2015 6:12:26 AM PDT by
PIF
(They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
To: ckilmer
What do folks think about the platinum constraint on widespread fuel cell use?
Fuel cells depend on platinum to work well, and it is 20 times rarer than gold. Production is limited, 80% comes from one country (South Africa) suffering from labor unrest, and other uses compete for the limited supply.
115 posted on
03/22/2015 5:45:05 PM PDT by
BeauBo
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