Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

To: PieterCasparzen

> So you believe in God,

Yes.

> but the doctrine you stated contradicts the Bible. Can you cite Bible verses which support your statement “I believe that Evolution is the action of God’s mighty hand, continually creating and re-creating the range and diversity of living things.”

That wasn’t doctrine, just a statement of my personal belief about the role evolution plays in God’s Creation. The Bible was written a few thousand years ago, long before the evidence of evolution as a tool of God was revealed to Man. God reveals things and gives us opportunities to expand our knowledge over time. So I believe that the Bible is the word of God revealed to Man, but the beginning of that process, not its entirety. I anticipate that we may disagree on that point, and I wish no quarrel, I’m only offering my answer to your question.

I cannot cite verse from The Bible to underscore my belief, as it is a personal revelation, thousands of years after the Bible was written. Nevertheless, I am convinced in my belief that the Author of the Universe, the Creator of all things, is entirely capable of creating natural processes such as evolution to allow His Creation to advance toward its fulfillment. No, I don’t know what that fulfillment is, except in general terms. :)


49 posted on 03/10/2015 9:58:23 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies ]


To: dayglored; PieterCasparzen

The Bible tells us of our relationship with God and His Son, Jesus.

It is not a scientific text.

The Bible does not define Gravity (nor tells us from whence it comes which is less known than TToE), defines the Speed of Light, Avogadro’s Constant onr how to eek light out of excited molecules, much less Boolean logic as an applicable discipline.

God speaks to use through the Bible and the biggest statement is: “I gave you a rational Universe with rational laws: discover them and you will see Me with each discovery.”


54 posted on 03/10/2015 10:07:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (islam: The hands of the Chinese, the mouths of the arabs, the minds of the French.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies ]

To: dayglored
That wasn’t doctrine, just a statement of my personal belief about the role evolution plays in God’s Creation.

Some words to ponder...

That is doctrine - we're talking about the doctrine (teaching) of Creation. The Biblical teaching on creation is primarily given in Genesis (though other books also have key verses).

The Bible is the only authoritative source on God - it is God's Word. It stands to reason, as God provided the Bible to us, and he is all-knowing and perfect, a) the Biblical accounts are true and b) they are sufficient for our spiritual and temporal needs and c) they do not tell us a single lie.

An essential part of hermeneutics is to observe patterns and context; what we see in Genesis is consistently a historical account, not poetic figures, metaphors, etc.

If we thus tell ourselves that Adam was some metaphor for a process of turning pond scum into a person through millions of genetic mutations over millions of years, our interpretation flies in the face of the presentation given in Genesis.

If my personal belief about Creation is different than the account in Genesis, I am not placing my faith in the truth of God's Word. Both Old and New Testaments tell us that believers "delight" in the truth of God's Word, thus I am not given the latitude by God's Word to not trust 100% in God's Word as it is written, indeed, I hate the idea of wavering from that 100% trust and I delight in learning more about it and specifically not trying to rationalize differences between human-inspired science and God-breathed truth so I might profess to believe in both. Quite to the contrary, I trust in the Bible, and insist on proof of every man-inspired proposition.

Evolution, just by the simple numbers, is obviously impossible.

Simple arithmetic: humans for sake of argument can reproduce a new generation every 15 years. At maximum reproduction rates, therefore, if man has been around for 30 million years, that's only 2 million possible generations. This is not nearly enough to "evolve" "by accident" the various systems and body parts of mammals.

The only response evolutionists have to this is that evolution "speeds up" and "slows down", i.e., the Cambrian Explosion, I think about 60 million to 80 million years ago (give or take), for some "unkown" reason, evolution sped up like crazy. Since then it has slowed down. Apparently, for the last 10 million years, they say there's been basically no evolution in humans.

Just consider one system:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_digestive_system

and you see that it's impossible that a person could live without basically the ENTIRE system functioning. It can't function if there are only pieces and parts working, thus it's preposterous that such a system could possibly "evolve".

And that's only one bodily system, and it has a whole bunch of extremely complex subsystems and relationships with other bodily systems.

Important verses on creation:

Psalm 136

A litany of God's wonders

"O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.

4 To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever.

5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever."

Psalm 104

God the creator of the earth

"24 O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches."

I then reflect on these verses. Is it only by physical power that God created the heavens and the earth ? Massive as it would be the effort required to place the moon in orbit around the earth, for example. But God's Word tells us "by wisdom" he made what he created.
74 posted on 03/10/2015 11:03:39 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson