Posted on 02/23/2015 4:38:31 AM PST by marktwain
Gun people love training. They revel in expertise. They gush over the incredible feats that expert gun users, from Annie Oakley to Jerry Miculek, can accomplish. Do not mistake me. I approve of training. Training is good. I have trained a lot of hours... and days... and years... and decades. I have trained military, police, and civilians. But large numbers of people use handguns very successfully with little or no training.
A case in point occurred recently in Ohio. From 10tv.com:
She was armed and apparently fired multiple shots at him, said Sgt. Dave Sicilia.While we cannot be sure that the armed homeowner had no training, the article does not mention any. It is implied that the son never expected his mother to actually fire the firearm. I have read numerous accounts of how people have not handled a gun for decades; then pick it up and use it effectively. Guns are designed to be easily used and to point naturally at the target.
The womans son says he bought the gun for her a week ago to keep her safe now that she is living alone, but he never thought she would actually have to use it.
Police believe the suspect also broke into neighboring homes.
Nearby residents heard the shot.
"I got up and looked into my kids room and made sure they were all right, said one person.
The burglary suspect was rushed to the hospital with serious injuries. He was pronounced dead shortly before 7:00 a.m.
In all honesty, if you have the hand and eye coordination to use a blowdrier, and you had a squirt pistol as a kid, you can use one to your benefit in most cases.
The more training the better, but the shooting world shoots itself in the foot when they scoff at people who have little interest in making it a hobby.
We shouldn’t make people feel like using a pistol is like learning the Samurai sword and becoming a karate man.
While your are doing your one eye Annie Oakley aiming the bad guy just pumped out 5 rounds in your general direction. No thanks.
And probably missed all of them. You think I'm going to be standing up-right and in the open?
Meanwhile, that's 5 fewer rounds he can fire at me when the going get rough!
What if you don’t have the option of concealment? Are you going to Annie Oakley while the are throwing lead at you?
One exercise the wife & I had during an introductory tactical training class was used to illustrate that.
After target shooting exercises, we then each had to draw, put 5 rounds into a torso target. Score was based on a combination of time and accuracy. Less accuracy added to the time. Best time wins of course.
Once people felt the pressure of having to get off 5 shots as fast as possible, accuracy went down dramatically. We each did it multiple times. I got the best time/score because after one horrible round, I settled down and concentrated on making it 70% accuracy / 30% speed rather than the other way around. A smooth draw is better than a fast draw.
Their point was an extra second that gets double the center mass hits is going to be the life saver. But it also brought home how even a little stress can have a significant effect on accuracy.
You should practice both well aimed shots and combat shooting. Both are necessary skills.
Maybe we just have to agree to disagree. I see no long-term advantage of a ‘spray and pray’ method of shooting.
It goes to the original question, “What happens when the ammo runs out?”
I do not see myself as Bat Masterson or Wyatt Earp out to quick draw myself to safety. I think that enables me to focus more on situational awareness and tactical positioning.
The bad guy can take me out in the first 20 seconds, but if I survive that, I think I will be just fine. Meanwhile, I do not present a threat for those 20 seconds (deep concealment) so I think that initial survival will be quite possible.
People have to know their limitations and be prepared to respond accordingly.
**I would expect a trained carpenter to hit the head of a nail 90% of the time,**
I’m good for 99%! If I can’t hit the iron nail I hit the thumb nail!
The USAF gave me exactly 1/2 day of training. Four hours was good enough once a year.
***It goes to the original question, What happens when the ammo runs out?***
That was answered in the movie ZULU DAWN. “The bullets run out! The bloody spears don’t!”
Articles like this one are dangerous and reckless, not giving the entire picture. Yes, most of the time if the attacker knows/sees the ‘prey’ is armed they stop. IOW youre relying on the attackers lack of backbone for protection. In all other cases youll need to shoot or flee. Most seem unaware they own each shot whether it goes into the attacker, a bystander or something not living. If you own it then youll have to give an account if you kill or wound a bystander. That and most criminals are terrible markkmen...perhaps only marginally better than someone unpracticed/trained or perhaps not. Here again youre relying on the attackers lack. It seems pretty sketchy that a defense strategy revolves around something someone else has/hasnt done....ie your safety is out of your control.
Then theres the idea of what youll do in an emergency situation. Theres a long list of studies/evidence showing that no strategy results in no affirmative action. Frankly, anyone carrying a weapon w/o training is lazy having the wrong mindset and endangering himself and those in the area.
The original “point and click”.
If you are caught out in the open don’t try to place your shots. Just a little advice. Practice shooting with both eyes open and on the target. Get as much lead down range as fast as possible then find cover.
For most people who are not familiar with firearms suppressive fire is generally the way to go. Remember the criminals are not usually there to risk their lives for something they believe in; just to steal, or rape in the case of women.
Suppressive fire hopefully will drive the criminal off and when he is retreating the victim can shoot them in the back, much safer.
dad taught me to hold my breath. I read somewhere to take a breath and let it slowly out as you squeeze the trigger...that works best for me...
I know that most gun training courses are not lengthy. I was just being snarky because of the choice of words.
Most folks take a course maybe two. It is rare for someone to take lots and lots of courses....Those folks are the true pros or in competition
Nevertheless, a trained shooter is nearly always going to out-perform an untrained one. You don't want to have to be subvocalizing "Let's see, tap, rack, what was it now?" in the middle of a fight for your life.
I'm not sure which gun I will carry but I'm leaning between a Sig P238 and a Ruger LC9S. I also tested a Kahr and didn't like it all. Any advice?
I agree. Though I sincerely hope and pray I NEVER have to shoot someone, I see a gun as the great “equalizer”. It won’t matter if my attacker outweighs me by a hundred pounds, having a gun gives me leverage to either stop the attack in its tracks or at least even the odds and have a way to protect myself.
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