Posted on 12/29/2014 5:22:03 PM PST by The Looking Spoon
Someone close to me once said that to believe we are alone would be nothing less than the arrogance of man. Yet this article points out that the math and science behind life on any planet shows that even we shouldn't exist, much less life anywhere else...
At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesn’t assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being?
There’s more. The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp.
Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all “just happened” defies common sense.
Should any of this close one's mind to the possibility of aliens existing, no, of course not. We should, however, take a sober consideration of the facts rather than declaring that we are indisputably not alone. We should caution in saying that believing we might be alone is the height of ignorance, as some "intellectuals" have an affinity for doing...
Improbability<>impossibility.
Sophistry<>argumentation.
Let us ask one simple question: WHY do the quarks, leptons, Higg’s bosons, gluons, etc, all obey mathematical laws? They’re tiny particles, they can’t be using little calculators to see what orbits they should follow, can they? We say that they obey the laws of physics, but I don’t see any tiny police officers enforcing these laws.
The human body is an endless procession of miracles. OF COURSE real science cries out the existence of the Creator God.
There is only ONE “police officer”. lol
Pretty sure that “randomness” is a myth, too. Gotta leave it at that, though to burned out to expound. Just food fer thought.
all of his = all of this
Who am I to say how I got here ?
Who am I to listen to someone who thinks he/she knows how they got here ?
Unconditional Faith...........in something.......has to be considered, and I considered it to be an act of God.
I have no apologies for my faith.
I am open to many beliefs. We cannot prove or disprove most of the real big questions. When I look at the macroscopic and ponder the size of the universe, the concept of god seems ridiculous. When I ponder the microscopic, and the uncountable number of things going on within the human machine that must work perfectly at all times, even though much of it is not even part of the body, much less sight, and hearing, without even getting in to how carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, and a few other elements can combine and think and be self aware. Thinking about that makes you believe there must be a god. The only line of reasoning that baffles me, however, is given the fact that life is way to complex to have come to exist on its own that, Therefore, something infinitely more complex must have created it, which leads to an infinitely regressive logic loop.
Anyone who believes that the DNA-RNA-Protein Synthesis system of literally trillions of possible combinations, with millions of combinations occuring every second in every cell of every creature on the planet, is a result of purely evolutionary pressure, doesn’t understand statistics.
Nor can they explain where DNA came from in the first place.
At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces?
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God seems to be rather fond of randomness. Perhaps the author meant to say accidental, unintended, or without purpose.
Unless time is a construct and the infinitely complex source doesn't exist within it - then there's no loop, because there's no causal linking. Quantum physics exists square in the middle of such an idea, linking space and time together as two sides of the same coin, and dissociating causality from witnessed events.
Even so, the idea that something cannot have spontaneously come to be because it is too complex, therefore something infinitely and mind boggling more complex must have created it does not appeal to me even if the entity exists outside of our quantum space time continuum. I am not positing that we wer not created, just stating that i do not like the logic.
I disagree...........you can believe that, if you believe that a tornado hitting a Junk yard in Kansas, can leave in its wake of random junk thrown together, a fully assembled 56 Ford Crown Victoria with air and power.
Myself, other than the proof of myself, is still waiting for the possibility of an explanation.
What is interesting is while there are only 0 and 1 in digital representations of reality, there are 4 different amino acids in DNA and RNA. This adds two more dimensions of complexity.
You're not alone - when faced with quantum mechanics, Einstein famously said (grumpily) "God does not play dice."
What I meant was that statistically, it ain't gonna happen - not that it could.
Well, you have to start off with inertia. Left to its own devices, matter wouldn’t “choose” to do anything, it would just sit there. So the only possible reason that particles are orbiting in a certain way is that something (a “force”) is forcing them to do so.
So, the better question is “why do forces work the way they do?” Or “why do the forces obey mathematical laws”?
We’re not really near the point where we could answer those questions scientifically though. We are still trying to figure out the most accurate mathematical representation of those forces, and can’t barely even speculate about the origin of the forces themselves or why they might operate the way they do.
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