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Supreme Court Rules 8-1 Citizens Have No Protection Against 4th Amendment Violations by Police
Freedom Outpost ^ | 12-26-14 | John Whitehead

Posted on 12/26/2014 7:31:29 PM PST by TurboZamboni

In a blow to the constitutional rights of citizens, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in Heien v. State of North Carolina that police officers are permitted to violate American citizens' Fourth Amendment rights if the violation results from a "reasonable" mistake about the law on the part of police. Acting contrary to the venerable principle that "ignorance of the law is no excuse," the Court ruled that evidence obtained by police during a traffic stop that was not legally justified can be used to prosecute the person if police were reasonably mistaken that the person had violated the law. The Rutherford Institute had asked the U.S. Supreme Court to hold law enforcement officials accountable to knowing and abiding by the rule of law. Justice Sonia Sotomayor, the Court's lone dissenter, warned that the court's ruling "means further eroding the Fourth Amendment's protection of civil liberties in a context where that protection has already been worn down."

"By refusing to hold police accountable to knowing and abiding by the rule of law, the Supreme Court has given government officials a green light to routinely violate the law," said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute and author of the award-winning book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State. "This case may have started out with an improper traffic stop, but where it will end—given the turbulence of our age, with its police overreach, military training drills on American soil, domestic surveillance, SWAT team raids, asset forfeiture, wrongful convictions, and corporate corruption—is not hard to predict. This ruling is what I would call a one-way, nonrefundable ticket to the police state."

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 4th; 4thamendment; donutwatch; helen; northcarolina; police; scotus; search; seizure
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To: old curmudgeon

You understand perfectly.


81 posted on 01/03/2015 8:27:28 PM PST by sport
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To: amihow

That was then, this is not. The philosophy has changed.


82 posted on 01/03/2015 8:28:26 PM PST by sport
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To: jsanders2001

If you enjoy going to jail you can.


83 posted on 01/03/2015 8:29:07 PM PST by sport
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To: Mr Rogers

What law school did you graduate from and when?


84 posted on 01/03/2015 8:32:50 PM PST by sport
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To: doc1019

And worse yet, no one gives a damn.


85 posted on 01/03/2015 8:34:41 PM PST by sport
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To: tacticalogic

Enforcement is not the point of focus. The point of focus is the controlling of the slaves. They use the enforcement mechanization as a means of control.


86 posted on 01/03/2015 8:38:45 PM PST by sport
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To: sport

I haven’t gone to law school. However, unlike many on this thread, I’ve read the entire NC Supreme Court decision and the entire US Supreme Court decision. I’ve also read some of the decisions they cited.

This decision does not in any way gut the 4th Amendment. If you give cops permission to search your vehicle, they can. That has always been true. In 1790, if authorities wanted to search your wagon and you gave them permission to do so, it was legal.


87 posted on 01/04/2015 7:48:38 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Mr Rogers
Once you have been pulled over, if you then give the police permission to search your car, the search is not illegal or unconstitutional. Why? Because you gave permission.

I wish (though it will never happen) that legislators would make clear that in many circumstances involving police, any "consent" should be presumed coerced and any police who wish to claim they had permission to do something would be required to prove that it was genuinely voluntarily.

I would suggest that the vast majority of people who "consent" to searches really don't want to police to search, and don't believe that the police would be able to find a legal basis to search without consent, but believe (perhaps correctly) that the police will use their discretionary authority to make their lives more unpleasant if they refuse the search than if they "consent". I would not call consent given in such cases voluntary.

88 posted on 01/15/2015 5:15:46 PM PST by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: M Kehoe
Way too vague to be considered reasonable to hold you for hours. I would of been asking to go because no PC has been discovered DURING the stop.

Did you even ask to leave? After 10 minutes I would have been.
89 posted on 01/15/2015 5:32:23 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: supercat
LEOs prey on people who do not understand their Constitutional protections. Police/investigators/interrogators are going to use any legal means necessary to pry and get people to submit. The fault lies not with them but people who are ignorant of the Constitution.

Rule of thumb; keep to yes and no answers(Upon first encounters with general information), when cop starts prying, for example, how fast do you think you were going, or did you think you came to a complete stop, begin to stay silent. Cop attempts to pry more don't answer. Only provide documentation under the law (Registration, insurance, etc.). Never under any circumstance consent to a search. If detained more than the time to write a ticket or license plate check ask if you are free to go. If no, then ask if you are being arrested. If cop does not give a proper answer, inform the officer that you would like to call a lawyer and the LEOs supervisor because you are unnecessarily being detained.

This is all elementary and an indictment on our educational system regarding the basic understanding of American Government.
90 posted on 01/15/2015 6:04:08 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Titan Magroyne

*ping*


91 posted on 02/05/2015 10:48:54 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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