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Why the Germans forgive the Russian behaviour
Die Welt ^ | Jacques Schuster

Posted on 11/16/2014 6:06:53 AM PST by wetphoenix

In the East Ukraine the fights become more violent again. President Vladimir Putin of Russia is trying to brings down the West. Many Germans are still on his side – partly from a bad tradition.

It is strange how strongly the Russian picture in the Germans is marked by the fantasy and projection and how little it deals with the reality. There the respect comes, maybe even the fear of the size of the Russian empire and the raw language of her politics. The power-deprived Germans are afraid to project power and forgot the words of the real politics. These things give them fear, yet they maintained a secret admiration with that – all at the same time. There the German tradition: the people and states comes between Berlin and Moscow / Saint-Perersburg are not existent. Their fate should be decided in both capitals of Germany and Russia – completely in such a way as it was usual among the Prussian kings and the czars, later under Otto von Bismarck and Alexander Gortschakov.

The self-determination right of the people between Germany and Russia who have the same right on freedom and independence like the Germans themselves is coined in the consciousness of many compatriots less than one dared to hope. For some of them Slavs seem to be anyhow still slaves – in any case unless we are talking about Russian people.

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TOPICS: History; Politics; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: agitprop; arizonapeepants; eussr; germany; military; nato; prorusskietroll; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; vladtheimploder; zotworthy
Differently cannot be explained how mildly many Germans value the national-illegal behaviour of the Kremlin and how fast they agree to determine away over the heads of the Ukraine what is allowed to do Moscow and what is not.

The creeping Un-Westization of Germany.

And something else influences the Russia picture: the creeping Un-Westization of the country. The more disgruntled and more distrustfully the Germans look at America, the less they think highly of the old connections, the more they can be felt from Washington disappointed and with pleasure – and been disappointing slightly masochistically – the more willingly they are about to see the old protection systems of alliances using them even as offensive weapons against Russia. The fact that Nato is nothing else than a defensive alliance since existence which never thought of conquests that she offered even the membership to Russia after 1990 is ignored by many Germans.

The Russians feel this and follow for their part an old cold war tradition: They try to do a wedge between Europe and America. However, they hold the Ukraine in her fist and will not let go them so fast again – if ever. The answer of the west cannot be on it to go over shoulder-twitching to the agenda. Even if it in this country many would have with pleasure so. Where Leisetreterei leads, the continent has learnt already once. Once Appeasement reaches.

1 posted on 11/16/2014 6:06:53 AM PST by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Maybe it is because the Russian’s behaviors appeals to the still repressed desire to invade somebody.


2 posted on 11/16/2014 6:08:54 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: wetphoenix
It is strange how strongly the Russian picture in the Germans is marked by the fantasy and projection and how little it deals with the reality.

The alternate realtiy of the new world order is spewed by every reporter with the sole intent of securing lifetime employment as a government mouthpiece.

3 posted on 11/16/2014 6:09:56 AM PST by x_plus_one
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To: wetphoenix

The best German blood soaked into the ground in places like Stalingrad.You see what’s left.


4 posted on 11/16/2014 6:10:27 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: wetphoenix

Many in Germany still view the Russians as liberators, ridding them of the Nazis.

Much the same as many in China still hate Japan for what they did to China in the 30s and 40s.

Old traditions and feelings die hard.


5 posted on 11/16/2014 7:08:28 AM PST by wrench (While not "airborne" , Ebola is a Spit-Borne virus. Good thing no one sneezes in public)
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To: wetphoenix

I clicked the link and whoever wrote that article is a really bad speller


6 posted on 11/16/2014 7:28:04 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: wetphoenix

If it were like the old days, Germany would get Silesia back in exchange for Russia getting East Ukraine.


7 posted on 11/16/2014 7:45:14 AM PST by MUDDOG
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To: wetphoenix

Ive been extremely critical of Germans in the past but on this issue Im going to give them a pass.....THE WHOLE WORLD DOESNT GIVE A SHI’ITE ABOUT ANYTHING!!!!

Biggest news in the US this week was some TV whore showing her a$$.....

Germany is islamic...rape of women and children is common...no one cares...same as in Dearborn MI or France or the UK. A few protest around the world but nothing to get excited about.


8 posted on 11/16/2014 10:11:33 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: wrench
The Germans got along pretty well with the British and Americans, the French not so much.

...But the Russians...I doubt there are very many Germans who look kindly on them, to say the least.

9 posted on 11/16/2014 10:53:13 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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“.But the Russians...I doubt there are very many Germans who look kindly on them, to say the least.”

Not what I am reading in the many German news sites that are on-line. Not all Germans, but there are those that do favor the Russians.

Merkel, for one, has looked the other way many times on Russian transgressions.


10 posted on 11/16/2014 11:18:18 AM PST by wrench (While not "airborne" , Ebola is a Spit-Borne virus. Good thing no one sneezes in public)
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