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What Gun Did the Ottawa Terrorist Use?
Gun Watch ^ | 25 October, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/24/2014 6:51:56 PM PDT by marktwain


This twitter post showed Zehat Bibeau with what appears to be a Winchester lever action rifle.    At first, it was unclear if this were the same firearm that he used to shoot Cpl. Cirillo.  

The BBC quickly came up with an identification of the firearm used - a Winchester lever action shotgun!  From the BBC:

He said police were trying to piece together how Zehaf-Bibeau acquired a Winchester lever-action shotgun, as he was banned from owning firearms due to his criminal convictions.
 Then the Ottowa Sun took a shot at the subject.  From the Ottowa Sun:
Police still don't know how he got his hands on the Winchester 3030 pump-action rifle he used to gun down Cpl. Cirillo at the War Memorial.
The National Post finally got it right.  From the Nationalpost.com:
 At a Thursday press conference, RCMP commissioner Bob Paulson confirmed that Zehaf-Bibeau had carried out the shootings with a Winchester 30-30 lever action rifle, a quintessentially Canadian bush gun that is not normally the first choice of would-be terrorists.
Here is a clearer picture of the model of rifle used.  This is a Winchester model 94, made prior to 1964, in caliber 30-30.


I would be remiss not to mention a source form the United States.  From wyomingnews.com:
Police said he was armed with a lever-action Winchester rifle, an old-fashioned, relatively slow-firing weapon.
The 30-30 was considered a powerful and quick firing rifle in its day.   President Teddy Roosevelt was rather impressed with it.

 He acquired an 1894 similar to all his other rifles in extras and embellishments and used it on an antelope hunt. His "little .30" as he called it, was able to knock down a good sized antelope at a distance of more than 180 yds. After witnessing the fantastic shot and the irrefutable and immediate results, his guide said that the gun was just "aces" in his book.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; canada; jihadist; nathancirillo; ottawa; terrorist
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To: moovova

Ballistics of the .30-30 are very similar to the Soviet 7.62x39 fired in the SKS and the AK-47


41 posted on 10/24/2014 10:10:51 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: marktwain
This twitter post showed Zehat Bibeau with what appears to be a Winchester lever action rifle... The BBC quickly came up with an identification of the firearm used - a Winchester lever action shotgun!

Oddly enough, there really is a shotgun variant of the Winchester 94. A .410 bore, IIRC. Tough to tell tell the difference from the rifle versions visually - possibly a bead front sight might be the difference.

42 posted on 10/24/2014 10:18:18 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

You are correct—even the last batch of Model 94s built a few years ago had some in .410 bore.


43 posted on 10/24/2014 10:42:57 PM PDT by Skybird
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To: marktwain

He said police were trying to piece together how Zehaf-Bibeau acquired a Winchester lever-action shotgun, as he was banned from owning firearms due to his criminal convictions

Yea, that always works!


44 posted on 10/24/2014 10:59:04 PM PDT by 48th SPS (Not Republican. Not a Democrat. I am an American)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I am uncertain as to where OttOwa is, but I Do know that the Capital City of Canada is OttAwa. Since our countries are “so small and close together”, could you kindly inform your neighbours of the correct spelling of our Capital city?

We seldom misspell OARshingtunn.


45 posted on 10/25/2014 1:28:39 AM PDT by Don W (To laugh, perhaps to dream...)
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To: yarddog

When you practice head shots, body armour is irrelevant...

Also, shooting the meaty bit of the upper leg is pretty effective. Aim for the inner thigh.


46 posted on 10/25/2014 1:32:26 AM PDT by Don W (To laugh, perhaps to dream...)
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To: Don W

I was going to say a hi point 9mm carbine is probably a better killer at short range than a 223.


47 posted on 10/25/2014 2:16:18 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Nice rifle, I’d love to find a .357. Lever’s are highly underrated.

I have a Rossi lever-action carbine in .357 (and the substitute 38 special). Decent rifle but nothing special - got it so I wouldn't have to add another type ammo to my list as I already had a .357 revolver.

48 posted on 10/25/2014 3:42:59 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: yarddog

Sadly there are too many variations to commit mayhem from said H-Bar to a couple of gallons of gas and a lighter. Expecting a Beslan or a Mumbai with “zero’s” policies.


49 posted on 10/25/2014 4:12:31 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: lavaroise

You’d be rather wrong.

Any556/223 bullet at close range is going to be rather messy (that is the point of its existence)as it (FMJ or soft) will fragment. While any pistol bullet will be much less so. Dead, however, is dead.


50 posted on 10/25/2014 4:20:13 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: marktwain
Because he was a terrorist, and Montreal is the location that ties him to the event.

It happened in Ottawa.

51 posted on 10/25/2014 5:20:31 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: marktwain

Those gun control laws really work well, don’t they?


52 posted on 10/25/2014 5:54:32 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ DEFUND OBAMA! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

I have been reading Colin Greenwood’s study of armed crime and firearms control in England and Wales, written in 1972.

He was the first to actually study the issue in any depth.

It was never about crime or safety, though those words were used as excuses.

It has always been about irrational phobias and politicians fears of an armed population.


53 posted on 10/25/2014 5:59:48 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Don W

Sorry about that, sometimes it’s tough being the big dumb neighbor.


54 posted on 10/25/2014 7:05:32 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: marktwain

I’m more interested in the gun that took down this ahem person and how many shots and where since I heard he was wearing armor of some sort.


55 posted on 10/25/2014 7:13:29 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Don W
We seldom misspell OARshingtunn

I thought I was going to lose my cool if I saw 'Lybia' written one more time on this forum.

56 posted on 10/25/2014 7:35:48 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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