Posted on 10/02/2014 8:27:26 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
I'm surprised that I haven't seen any wargaming thoughts on how Ebola Virus is going to play-out in the US in the coming weeks, months and years. Watching how Duncan was managed in Texas does not give me any confidence that the feds or state health authorities have a clue what to do and are totally disorganized and unprepared. This is surprising given the fact we've had almost 40 years of knowledge of and experience with hemorrhagic viruses from Central Africa including Marburg, Lassa, and Ebola. You'd think that every health agency in the country would have figured out how to respond to this rapidly and effectively.
How do you think Eboloa is going to play out in the U.S. I'd enjoy hearing from the smartest collection of people on the web on your prognostications. How will this affect our health, our standard of living, our travel, our freedoms, our families, our jobs, the supply of products on store shelves, the willingness of people to go to work, peoples' faith? Will people be willing to congregate anywhere in even small numbers? Or will people hunker down until it burns out?
Will it spread like wildfire after inept attempts by incompetent government to control it? Or will government do the right thing quickly enough to get this under control?
If it spreads rapidly, how quickly will we exhaust all isolation wards, all medical personnel, all medical supplies (including simple things like bandages and bed linens, mattresses, pillow cases, as well as complex things like Biosafety Level 4 suits)? Will the medical industry be able to research, produce and get to market an effective vaccine quickly enough to slow down the spread? Based on the AIDS experience, this would seem to be wishful thinking.
How will all the dead bodies be disposed? Do we need to build huge incinerators? Would the authorities possibly euthanize infected people before their organs turn into puddles of hot mush?
Will the virus mutation rate in the trillions of cells in each affected person make it's spread more efficient? Will it explode geometrically or exponentially?
Will tourism quickly collapse as people fear staying in hotel rooms where other strangers have stayed or out of fear of getting onto an airplane or train compartment with contaminated surfaces that simply cannot be disinfected?
Will colleges and universities collapse as students stay at home?
What will society look like after this is over?
Will this finally lead to adults being voted back into leadership positions in the country, adults who take our nation's safety seriously? Will this lead to the final demise of the Democrat and Republican parties? Could this lead to dictatorship? Will people finally wake and realize that you need serious, experienced executive leadership to run the States and Nation?
Will this possibly lead to the final end of "politically correct" thought? Will the masses of people finally get back to the practical realization that all cultures are NOT equal? Is this the end of "multi-cultural" PC thought?
There are possible vectors in supermarkets touching produce, spraying droplets in crowds, etc. I think in the stadium it would have to be sprayed. It won't just float around through the air from person to person. If it did that, half the people in West Point (Monrovia) would be dead.
Any idea if Ebola survives dry? I had read it did not.
We can easily be killed by political correctness either by not properly confining suspect cases, or allowing terrorists into the country.
Everybody visits the bathroom during a football game...
Other than in samples grossly contaminated with blood, EBOV was not found by any method on environmental surfaces...
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full
That was not a very large study but it suggests that fomites are not a very potent vector.
Before it gets to ten million, the economy collapses and the electrical grid fails. Then, Ebola just becomes one more killer, behind mass starvation and mega violence.
It doesn't matter what leads up to or causes the grid to fail. When the power goes out, our society crashes and burns.
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I saw a doctor on TV who discussed an experiment, where a traceable but mild cold virus was smeared from an infected hand onto one single doorknob at a business.
Half of the office workers were infected in one day. It jumped from knob to hand to coffee pot handle to bathroom door knob etc etc.
Ebola only takes 1-10 virons to infect a person, and it can remain viable outside the body for days, for example, all over that ambulance, which continued to be used by several ambulance crews in contact with many patients after it was contaminated.
There is a lot of luck, good or bad, involved. Also the personal habits of the victim matter. Some go crazy when the virus gets into the brain.
Thank you for the information. I don’t dispute the potential virulence of the diseases, just the proportions are not what we are being told to expect. With respect to the individuals that have died of these diseases, I just don’t see where we have the death tolls that make it more fearsome than, say, Islam itself, or drunk drivers. A more calm approach would be better than the endless worrying and hand-wringing that is such a waste of time.
I know this guy who is a research scientist. Every time he is around, he will say something like the dam holds so much water it would flood us in ten minutes. I say it hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t. He keeps worrying and I don’t worry. It probably won’t. He is a liberal.
Incompetence and malfeasant is the coat of arms of Obama’s administration
The Centers for Disease Control Changed Its Ebola Prevention Page on September 19, 2014. Why?
PJ Media ^ | 10/1/14 | Bryan Preston
PREVENTION
PARAPHRASING SOCRATES, THE CDC ADMITES THAT ALL THEY KNOW IS THAT THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT EBOLA.
CDC edited out the following text on Sept 19:
Because we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola, few primary prevention measures have been established and no vaccine exists. When cases of the disease do appear, risk of transmission is increased within healthcare settings. Therefore, healthcare workers must be able to recognize a case of Ebola and be ready to use practical viral hemorrhagic fever isolation precautions or barrier nursing techniques. They should also have the capability to request diagnostic tests or prepare samples for shipping and testing elsewhere.
Why did the CDC edit all of that information out? Did the science change, or did the government make the edit for some other reason(s)?
There is no FDA-approved vaccine available for Ebola.
OBAMA OPEN US BORDERS TO A DOUBLE WHAMMY - TERRORISM AND EBOLA
Doomsday warning: UN Ebola chief raises ‘nightmare’ prospect that virus could mutate and become airborne - making it much more infectious
United Nations warns Ebola virus currently plaguing West Africa could become airborne
The longer it moves between human hosts the greater possibility of mutation.
The risk grows the longer virus is living within the human ‘melting pot’ NGOs have said the Ebola virus is currently infecting five people every hour.
More than 3,300 people have died from Ebola since the outbreak first began.
Officials call for 1,000 new Sierra Leone isolation centers to contain virus British survivor says ‘horror’ of children dying from disease must be avoided.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2778022/UN-Ebola-chief-raises-nightmare-prospect-virus-mutate-airborne.html#ixzz3F0lfsMRP Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
From Pigs to Monkeys, Ebola Goes Airborne
Nov 21, 2012 | Jane Huston | Research & Policy –
http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/pigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112#sthash.srRHtwa1.dpuf
Ebola has a 21 days incubation period before the infested person show symptoms. The CDC maintains that a person infested with Ebola cannot transmit it until they show symptoms of the disease. How can they assure that the person cannot infest another person after 10, 15, or 19 days of being infested by the virus while still not showing symptoms of the virus? The CDC falsely assure the American people that it cannot be transmitted by air although studies in Canada seems to prove otherwise.
When news broke that the Ebola virus had resurfaced in Uganda, investigators in Canada were making headlines of their own with research indicating the deadly virus may spread between species, through the air. The team, comprised of researchers from the National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease, the University of Manitoba, and the Public Health Agency of Canada, observed transmission of Ebola from pigs to monkeys.
They first inoculated a number of piglets with the Zaire strain of the Ebola virus. Ebola-Zaire is the deadliest strain, with mortality rates up to 90 percent. The piglets were then placed in a room with four cynomolgus macaques, a species of monkey commonly used in laboratories. The animals were separated by wire cages to prevent direct contact between the species. Within a few days, the inoculated piglets showed clinical signs of infection indicative of Ebola infection. What do these findings mean? That there is no assurance that Ebola cannot be transmitted by air.
Doctor Boards Atlanta Flight In HazMat Suit To Protest “Lying CDC”
Zero Hedge ^ | 10/2/14 | Tyler Durden
“If they’re not lying, they are grossly incompetent,” said Dr. Gil Mobley, a microbiologist and emergency trauma physician from Springfield, Mo. as he checked in and cleared Atlanta airport security wearing a mask, goggles, gloves, boots and a hooded white jumpsuit emblazoned on the back with the words, “CDC is lying!” As The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports, Mobley says the CDC is “sugar-coating” the risk of the virus spreading in the United States.
PREVENTIVE MEDICINE EXPERT: OBAMA ‘UNDERLAYING’ EBOLA RISK. on Breitbart TV 2 Oct 2014
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/10/02/Preventive-Medicine-Expert-Obama-Underplaying-Ebola-Risk
Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a preventive medical specialist who practices in Texas and Arizona, who has served as Adjunct Associate Professor in Family Medicine at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, Assistant Professor in Family Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School, and Medical Director for the Women’s Program at Maryview Hospital accused the government of “underplaying the risk” of the Ebola virus, and seemed to argue that flights from countries with large Ebola outbreaks should not be allowed into the US on Thursday’s broadcast of “The Laura Ingraham Show.”
Dr. Vliet said that the government is not doing everything it could to protect Americans from the virus. Speaking on the prospect of a flight ban and the contention that only individuals who are showing symptoms of the virus can transmit it, she said “viruses mutate and change, and so to say anything with 100% certainty when you are dealing with viruses that change is medically irresponsible.” And that “no one can say with 100% certainty” when someone becomes infectious, and this is the reason why European nations have halted flights from countries like Liberia.
She further wondered why the American recently diagnosed with Ebola was not stopped, asking “why wasn’t he stopped at customs, why wasn’t he screened then, why wasn’t he quarantined as they’re doing in other countries?”
Dr. Vliet also declared that President Obama is “underplaying the risk to Americans, and I think when we have evidence going back to the Reston lab accident in Virginia a couple decades ago, of potential airborne transmission, the Canadian government has said that airborne transmission was strongly suspected [we should be more cautious].”
It’s Hanta Virus that you can catch from dried mouse droppings, not Ebola. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.
no problem thanks. I was just wondering about infection with dried virus, but it’s at least possible with that (Hanta) virus.
No but my kids used to.
I never could get into videogaming
Yes, they will. We have our own home, a well, and septic system on an acre of land. And most of us are a bit on the introvert side.
I don’t go anywhere unless the temperature is above 45 degrees anyway. I hate cold weather.
Yea, the whole theme with that is a foreign world with random savages doing what they want.
Hmmm.
Nah, can’t happen here.
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