SC: Victims takes Robbers Gun, finds Gun was Stolen

Gun Watch ^ | 12 September, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

I have read thousands of stories of citizens fighting criminals, and usually winning, especially if they are armed.   In very rare cases, the criminal takes a weapon from an armed citizen.   It seems to be a bit more common for a citizen to take a weapon from the criminal.   It makes sense when you consider that the citizen has a lot more to lose than the criminal.  Criminals, by their actions, have shown that they have no concern for the rights of others, so a victim has reason to fear for their life.   Most citizens have no desire to harm others, so criminals know that citizens are less likely to kill them without provocation.  Here is the latest example of a victim taking a gun from a criminal.   The victim is 29 years old, and thought that he was checking out an Xbox One for sale.   From islandpacket.com:

He was met by two unknown men, one of whom pointed a gun, the report said. The victim wrestled it away from him, the report said.

Keeping the gun, the victim got into his car and drove down Bruce K. Smalls Road as the suspect and the second man ran from the home, the report said.

The victim returned to his home, called authorities, and turned the gun over to deputies, who discovered it had been reported stolen from a Burton home in 2007.

I am sure that the gun's original owner will be glad to get his gun back.  The man who recovered it should be rewarded.

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[CharlesOConnell]

Criminals have suffered the worst loss there is: Before they can lose fundamental respect for others, they lose it for themselves. Babies have this respect for others hard wired in. Something happens to them as babies. When they should be learning to get along with others, their parents fail to teach them honesty and respect by word and example. This is the worst robbery.

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

:: I am sure that the gun’s original owner will be glad to get his gun back. ::

Dean, don’t be so naive.

[GladesGuru]

Cigarette addicts have the ability to drop their addiction “cold turkey”, same for other addictions. Habituated drug abuse is a behavior well known to be vastly more difficult to stop than merely not being a criminal. Yet drug users can and do stop their destructive behavior. Clearly, a criminal is capable of stopping his criminal behavior any time he decides to so do.

As for the victim, killing the thief during an armed robbery is legal. Which raises a pertinent question:
“Should those who could legally kill an armed criminal while said criminal was committing a violent crime with said weapon - should that person be fined for not saving society from future crimes and future costs of incarceration?”

As citizens of a Republic of self-regulating and responsible citizens, do we not have a duty to suppress crime when we can so do?

However, as is well known, positive reinforcement works better than punishments. Amazingly, America once had a well developed mechanism providing positive reinforcement for ending criminal behavior. It was nation wide and operated at very low financial cost to the citizens because NO Additional Personnel were hired, nor were they necessary, to operate this successful crime suppression mechanism.

When a criminal was lawfully killed while committing a crime, the local sheriff paid the bounty to the person who killed the criminal.

Note the total lack of overhead in the traditional, historically proven, American bounty system. Tax money, or privately contributed reward money, is distributed to the person who removed the criminal. Local Sheriff posted the Bounty as part of his duties, thereby incurring no extra costs to the taxpayer. Printing costs and accounting costs were minimal to non-existent.

The Bounty System worked because it decentralized and privatized crime suppression.

What we have in place now is in total failure mode.

Bring back the Bounty System.

[marktwain]

“Babies have this respect for others hard wired in.”

That is not my experience or observation. Exactly the opposite, in fact. Babies have not respect for others. It is all “me,me,me”. Children have to be taught respect for others. The default is the child’s intrinsic “me, me, me”.

If the respect of respect for others is not taught, we end up with the criminal situation we see in the urban core.

Both Christianity (original sin) and science show that children are intrinsically selfish and have to learn respect for others. Rational self interest shows respect for others, but children have to learn it.

[marktwain]

“not respect” should be “no respect”

“respect of respect” should be “respect”

Slow response the keyboard this morning..

[marktwain]

“Habituated drug abuse is a behavior well known to be vastly more difficult to stop than merely not being a criminal.”

Not from what I have seen and read. Once a person becomes a career criminal, it is very difficult for them to stop. Recidivism is very high. They have to change their who world view.

[GladesGuru]

Criminal behavior is often driven by a need to feed an addiction. Were drugs to be decriminalized, the cost of what are now illegal drugs would plummet, and crime would accordingly decline.

The present Criminal Justice System would shrink and all would benefit - except the unions and other trough feeders making a very good living as overpaid Criminal Justice System employees.

[Still Thinking]

Most citizens have no desire to harm others, so criminals know that citizens are less likely to kill them without provocation.

An armed robbery in progress doesn't qualify as a provocation???

[marktwain]

“An armed robbery in progress doesn’t qualify as a provocation???”

It certainly does! My contention is that most citizens have a greater reluctance to take life than criminals do.

[Still Thinking]

That’s certainly true.

[bravo whiskey]

i’m sure most of you already know this but we ccw folks NEVER kill anyone to defend ourselves. we shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. if it happens to take 6 rounds to the chest, so be it BUT we NEVER use the word kill when explaining what happen. i know lawyerese but important to remember.