Every donation counts!
September is almost here.
Please Contribute Today!
Posted on 08/23/2014 10:30:39 AM PDT by Perseverando
In the summer of 1683, 300,000 warriors of the Ottoman Empire began the siege of Vienna. The fall of the city would have opened the way to conquer Europe. On September 11. was the main battle between the Polish cavalry and the Turks.
This is why I chose the moniker, jan_sobieski ;-)
ping for later watching
ping
movie ping
YES! Free Constantinople!
Croissants probably are not halal.
Actually, I thought the movie was kind of trite. The acting sucked, the characters were shallow, and the effects amateurish. But the story was pretty accurate historically, and there was nothing PC about it.
It has inspired me to learn more about the event, and especially about Jan Sobieski, who pretty much saved the day, and by extension, Christianity.
“we eat Crosants” Actually “Croissants”. First baked to celebrate the victory of Don John and the Christian allies over the Turks at the Battle of Lepanto.
Another film on the same subject.
Was the date of 9/11/01 chosen because of this event?
I love the subject and have read a number of books on the Ottoman Empire as well as the Byzantine Empire. Many historians consider the failure of the Turks to take Vienna as the beginning of the decline of the Ottoman Empire—though it still lasted nearly three more centuries.
As to the movie: Terrible on just about every level. The acting was subpar, the VFX weren’t very special and the battle scenes were just a few stunts shot from multiple angles. If you look up the credits for the writer and director, you can see that they are not much more than amateurs.
I believe this is the same movie.
Crosants—Croissants I am a victim of the California educational system. I thought it was over the siege of Vienna—but Lepanto will do—Lots of supernatural things happened in that battle where the Turks were crushed by a young Don Juan who took the battle to the enemy and beat them.
As we would pass through this park each day on the way to the No. 49 Tram stop just a block further down the street, we'd invariably see two, three, sometimes four, Muslim mothers, all of them with no fewer than three small kids in tow. They were very common in Vienna's core, the 1st District. And, on the east side of the Danube, or the 16th District on Vienna's west side, the population is so highly Muslim, you'd think you were in Turkey or points east of there.
Muslim mothers are going to accomplish what the Turks turned back by Sobieski could not accomplish.
To this day Spain is exempt from the abstinence from meat because of Lepanto. While the fleets of the Italians city-states fell back on the flanks, Don Juan surged forward and his fighters beheaded the sultan. Cervantes was injured in that battle.
In an (unsuccessful) attempt to mediate the struggle over Cyprus between Turkey & Greece, Pope Paul VI returned to Turkey flags taken from the Turkish fleet at Lepanto.
What books would you recommend, especially about Sobieski?
And I agree that this was the beginning of the end for the Ottomans.
I haven’t actually read anything on just Sobieski. A very good overview of the Ottomans that more or less starts with Vienna is:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1535301.The_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
A better read and more comprehensive history is:
I’ll check them out. Thanks.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.