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MI:Gunfight in Detroit; Thieves Escape, Return, Wound Bystander
Gun Watch ^ | 21 August, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/21/2014 9:59:48 AM PDT by marktwain


A gunfight erupted in Detroit as a neighbor interrupted the theft of the catalytic converter from a minivan.   The neighbor came out with a long gun, which appeared to be a Mossberg single shot bolt action shotgun, based on the shape of the trigger guard and bolt.  The underside of the long gun showed the lack of a magazine.




    From clickondetroit.com:

A man spotted two crooks stealing the catalytic converter from his neighbor's Chevrolet Venture. He came out armed with a gun, hoping to scare them away. Police say the men took off toward their car, fired shots and drove off.

Just minutes later they came back for more. They fired shots at the home. The homeowner shot back. His friend -- an elderly man inside his home -- was shot in the arm. 
The violated mini-van is behind the ambulance

Most of the time, just having a gun is enough.   In this case it wasn't.   The thieves are pretty brazen in Detroit.   Maybe if the thieves had seen him with an AK or an AR, they would not have fired or not come back.     Even a Hi-Point carbine, such as this Detroit woman used, might have served him better.

I know that Detroit is broke, but perhaps Police Chief Craig could take up a collection to buy him a more suitable neighborhood defensive firearm.

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TOPICS: Government; Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; detroit; mi
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I have not see a comment by Chief Craig on this event yet.
1 posted on 08/21/2014 9:59:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

somehow I just know an innocent black child was involved as a victim here...


2 posted on 08/21/2014 10:02:25 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Never bring a single shot to a semi auto fight.

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3 posted on 08/21/2014 10:02:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: marktwain

I have an old Mossberg bolt action 410 with no external mag but it holds 3. I believe a 410 slug is like a 45 slug. I would be happy to hear it that is true from any gun experts out there. I know I wouldn’t want to face my shotgun.


4 posted on 08/21/2014 10:05:26 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: marktwain
Check this out. A chance to ask James Craig some question this afternoon.

Live chat with Detroit Police Chief James Craig today: A look at public safety in Detroit
5 posted on 08/21/2014 10:07:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: marktwain

Thieves are brazen here in Atl too. Somehting similar happened to a friend of mine who at the time owned a coin-op laundramat. He was followed to his home and the thieves confronted him at gunpoint. He pulled his small handgun and fired at them and missed. They fired at him and missed and ran off. A few minutes later a car came slowly down the street and the thugs who were in the car fired at him again and fortunately missed again. Since he only had one of those miniature .22 revolvers he diver for cover and didn’t try to shoot back.They left and of course the Atl police spent about 3 minutes total on it.


6 posted on 08/21/2014 10:16:26 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain

Oh and I forgot to mention the criminals fit the description of “black males.”


7 posted on 08/21/2014 10:17:06 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Seems like a clear need for an AR or AK.


8 posted on 08/21/2014 10:18:04 AM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: from occupied ga
He pulled his small handgun

Did he upgrade?

9 posted on 08/21/2014 10:21:07 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: marktwain

Why does the Chief have his gun confiscators disarming law abiding Detroiters?


10 posted on 08/21/2014 10:40:04 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: from occupied ga

Lightly armed, hard working, determined teenagers working to raise tuition for College this Fall.....


11 posted on 08/21/2014 10:42:31 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Gadsden1st

410 & 45 are the same caliber. I don’t know about your Mossberg but some guns can interchange the round. I.e. The Judge by Taurus.


12 posted on 08/21/2014 10:49:32 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Gadsden1st
Close...but the slug is necessarily smaller by twice the thickness of the shell casing. .410 is also a smaller dia. than .45. My Taurus Public Defender shoots both.

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13 posted on 08/21/2014 10:50:49 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Did he upgrade?

No he sold the business and moved to SD.

14 posted on 08/21/2014 10:51:25 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: marktwain
Seems like a clear need for an AR or AK.

Part of the problem was that he didn't want to be seen to be armed. He wanted it to be a surprise to any assailant. He carried something like the North American .22 I forget which exact brand. I suggested he get something like a Colt Mustang in .380 (my current carry) but he thought that was too big.

15 posted on 08/21/2014 10:56:04 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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Lightly armed, hard working, determined teenagers working to raise tuition for College this Fall.....

AND... they were aspiring rappers and they loved the grandmothers and they had just turned their lives around (360 degrees) etc.

16 posted on 08/21/2014 10:57:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Actually they were neighborhood Handy Helpers. They had heard that the Old Man’s car was not running properly. Having determined it was due to a faulty Catalytic Converter they had removed it and was on their way to the local O”really Parts store to purchase a bypass pipe when the Evil retired Ex-Klansman opened fire on them.


17 posted on 08/21/2014 11:09:13 AM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The original 1998 version)
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To: marktwain

First we had evil possessed SUVs and now we have violated mini-vans.


18 posted on 08/21/2014 11:20:24 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Paladin2
The police chief in Detroit is very pro self defense. Any time there's a shooting the gun is taken and checked out but the owner should have no problem getting it back.

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19 posted on 08/21/2014 12:24:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Gadsden1st; gorush
Read here:

The Box O’ Truth #41 – The Taurus Judge Vs. The Box O’ Truth

I wouldn't want to be shot with so much as a BB gun, but a 410 slug isn't the same as a .41/.45LC from a handgun (e.g. Taurus Judge, etc.) and won't exceed the FPS as shown on the cartridge box out of a standard-length shotgun barrel.

I'm unsure what the utility is for a .410 shotgun firing slugs. I do understand that .410s are more suitable than larger-bore gauges for hunting sage grouse and quail when using bird shot.

I have no idea what use the newer .410/.45LC chambered pistols have except for being handy versus venomous snakes, where they certainly perform better than a traditional .45/.44 pistol loaded with snakeshot rounds.

Testing is showing neither of these seem to be well-suitable for defense, unless you have no other firearm.

20 posted on 08/21/2014 1:20:35 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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