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I’m Jewish, and I disagree with the Muslim bashing that’s been going on
wordpress ^ | July 30, 2014 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 07/30/2014 5:01:51 AM PDT by grundle

I’m Jewish, and I disagree with the Muslim bashing that’s been going on

I’m Jewish by birth, agnostic by choice, and I have a strong interest in Jediism and Greek Mythology.

President Obama recently referred to

“… the many achievements and contributions of Muslim Americans to building the very fabric of our nation…”

Well, message boards and article comment sections all over the internet are flying with all sorts of criticism of Obama’s claim. Sadly, many of these people are claiming that Muslims have contributed nothing whatsoever to this great country of ours.

But the fact is that Obama does have a valid point.

The Sears Tower, which was the tallest building in the world for 25 years, was designed by a Muslim guy named Fazlur Khan. Khan was known as the “father of tubular designs for high-rises.” The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat named its lifetime achievement award, the Fazlur Khan Lifetime Achievement Medal, after him.

Ayub Khan Ommaya was a neurosurgeon who invented the Ommaya reservoir, which delivers chemotherapy directly to brain tumors. He was Muslim.

People should be judged as individuals. There are good and evil people in all religions. Some of the professional people that you come across in your day to day life are probably Muslim, and you don’t even know it. Doctors. Lawyers. Bankers. Teachers. Scientists. Entrepreneurs. Muslims are well represented in all of these professions.

Bash Obama all you want. I certainly do. But I bash him as an individual. Bash any individual all you want. But please don’t bash an entire religious population because some of its members are evil.

In July 2010, Charles Bolden, the administrator of NASA, said that Obama had told him that the primary purpose of NASA was “to reach out to the Muslim world.” If Obama really did say that, then he was wrong. The real purpose of NASA is to teach all of humanity about the universe in which we live. So that would be a good reason to bash Obama, if he really did say it.

In September 2012, after four U.S. citizens were killed in a terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, the Obama administration falsely said that the attack was a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim video at YouTube. That’s certainly a reason to bash Obama.

In September 2012, the Obama administration phoned YouTube to complain about an anti-Muslim video. That’s certainly a reason to bash Obama. Ben Wizner of the ACLU said that of this, “It does make us nervous when the government throws its weight behind any requests for censorship.” Eva Galperin of the Electronic Frontier Foundation said of this, “I am actually kind of distressed by this… Even though there are all these great quotes from inside the White House saying they support free speech….by calling YouTube from the White House, they were sending a message no matter how much they say we don’t want them to take it down, when the White House calls and asks you to review it, it sends a message and has a certain chilling effect.”

In June 2013, Rasmussen conducted a poll to find out what people considered to be the “nation’s top terror threat.” Reporting on the results of the poll, Rasmussen wrote: “Among those who strongly approve of the president, more fear the Tea Party than radical Muslims.” That’s a good reason to bash people who strongly approve of Obama. And it’s a good reason to bash the terrorists who happened to be Muslim. But it’s not a good reason to bash all Muslims, or to claim that they have contributed nothing whatsoever to the building of this country.

I’ll close with this statistic that may surprise a lot of people: in the 2000 U.S. Presidential election, nearly 80% of Muslims voted for Bush.



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KEYWORDS: blogtard; islam; israel; moron; muslim; obama
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To: BeauBo

Nazis are all bad because they all want to murder large numbers of people. Not all Muslims want to do that.


141 posted on 07/30/2014 3:44:50 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle
I’m not a gay basher either.

Do you have a list of all the times queers tried to get into your pants?

Maybe a shorter list of all the times you said "No!"?

142 posted on 07/30/2014 3:45:52 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Sam Gamgee

I can’t dispute your point about Detroit.


143 posted on 07/30/2014 3:45:56 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle
Nazis are all bad because they all want to murder large numbers of people. Not all Muslims want to do that.

Well they won't necessarily kill you if you convert.

144 posted on 07/30/2014 3:46:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: grundle

Odd time to bring this up, when Israel is practically isolated in its struggle for existence.


145 posted on 07/30/2014 4:49:15 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Israel’s enemy has a nasty little habit of launching missles at itself. Israel is technologically superior. I think it will survive.


146 posted on 07/30/2014 5:39:37 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Bad timing, Grundle


147 posted on 07/30/2014 5:45:53 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: grundle

“Nazis are all bad because they all want to murder large numbers of people. Not all Muslims want to do that.”

Many Nazis, like many Muslims, simply went along to get along. There were career and business opportunities that they would miss out on if they were not party members (or believers), so the ambitious often said what benefited them.

Many Nazis, like many Muslims, were raised in an environment dominated by propaganda and indoctrination, and didn’t think that the movement was about bad things like killing people - they were misled with positive spin about their ideology, while they were also being taught to hate.

Many Nazis, like many Muslims, were intimidated by the harsh repression they were subject to, and capitulated or turned a blind eye out of fear and self-preservation. The explicit repression in Islam is actually more harsh than it was within the Nazi Party - 100% death to anyone who tries to leave or exercise independent beliefs - although it is less efficiently administered.

Most Nazis were not in the elite SS which did the executions, just as most Muslims are not in the jihadi terrorist groups, so they did not expect to actually have to kill anyone themselves.

Killing Jews (and non-Muslims generally) is a widely popular concept among wide swathes of the Muslim population throughout the world today, it is publicly preached by many Muslim clerics, and it is explicitly commanded in the Quran. Most Nazi Party members did not learn of the secret plans to exterminate Jews, until they were well underway, and well after the Nazi Party had consolidated totalitarian power and instituted a police state.

The problem is with the ideology. Individuals will always vary widely within any large group - even Nazis. Schindler was a Nazi who saved thousands.

If an ideology inclines toward, encourages or commands evil, it is evil, and deserves to be identified as an evil influence.


148 posted on 07/30/2014 5:47:08 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: grundle
I’m Jewish by birth, agnostic by choice, and I have a strong interest in Jediism and Greek Mythology.

No, no...genealogy aside, that makes you a practicing nerd, not a practicing Jew.

149 posted on 07/30/2014 5:47:10 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: BeauBo

That’s a very sound comparison that you make, I can’t argue aginst it.


150 posted on 07/30/2014 7:30:06 PM PDT by grundle
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To: RichInOC

Yes - I am indeed a practicing nerd!


151 posted on 07/30/2014 7:33:00 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

It is a rare pleasure to reason with someone with an open mind. Thank you.


152 posted on 07/30/2014 9:10:21 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: grundle

OK...


153 posted on 07/30/2014 9:29:09 PM PDT by Netz
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To: grundle

You are supporting Islam. It has nothing to do with religion.

Your peace love philosophy of do whatever you want leads to death.

Islam is evil and destructive
if you don’t reject it you accept it and are leading other people to destruction


154 posted on 07/30/2014 11:02:06 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead---MSM/Dems/GOP-e -- LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: dalereed
The only good muslim is a dead one!

That's a hysterical oversimplification. There are many good, hard-working muslims right down the street at your local convenience store who are merely pursuing their own vision of the American dream, just like you and I. And they don't want America hurt or destroyed any more than you or I do.

And even though muslims practice what I believe to be a false and abominable religion, they have no relationship to indiscriminate murderers such as Hamas and their ilk, any more than you or I do to some deranged Christian killer. Some muslims even accept, for instance, that Israel has a right to exist!

What these muslims need to realize is that if they don't cleanse their own religion from within, it's going to have to be done from the outside. And that does mean their obliteration on the level you seem to embrace.

But regardless, advocating the death of any individual merely for their choice of religion is simply un-Christian and wrong. Indeed, it lowers one down to the same level of the very extremists they hate.

I simply can't see Christ ever embracing a pogrom against the members of any ethnicity or religion. Such bigotry and hatred is anathema to Christianity.

Make no mistake: I believe there are many Muslims, men and women, who deserve to be bombed into oblivion. But despite that fact, there are some muslims who are decent, peace-loving folks. There are such human beings in any ethnic or religious grouping.

Recognizing that possibility does not make anyone some kind of Hamas sympathizer. I believe Israel is entirely justified in their current military policy towards Hamas, and I'm quite confident that PM Netanyahu will fiercely defend the interests of the nation of Israel. More power to him.

155 posted on 07/30/2014 11:55:22 PM PDT by sargon
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To: sargon

Oh yes, you’re Jewish and so was Judas!


156 posted on 07/31/2014 3:56:16 AM PDT by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: sargon

I agree with you, you can’t justly condemn anyone who is a Muslim, for the actions of others, or even the tenets of their religion.

We are all sinners. As a Christian, it is the sin that should be destroyed, not the sinners.

As a practical matter in war, you have to do what you need to do to win, while making reasonable attempts to minimize civilian casualties and damage.

It is necessary that Islamist movements like Hamas be eradicated or suppressed, but it is illegal, immoral and unnecessary to wantonly slaughter innocents.

Muslims are not given a choice of religion. If you are born to a Muslim father, as the great majority of Muslims are, the official penalty for changing religions is death (although their enforcement is inefficient).

There are and have been many strains of Islam which are markedly less violent and expansionist than what we are seeing today. Wahabbi extremism, fueled by oil money, has exploded from am isolated outpost in the desert to become the biggest force in Islam worldwide. They build most of the mosques, train brigades of Imams, and print mountains of textbooks in dozens of languages.

Those wealthy Wahabbi elites are ultimately the ones who need to have a change of heart, change of behavior, be imprisoned or killed.


157 posted on 07/31/2014 8:09:37 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

Thank!


158 posted on 07/31/2014 1:28:50 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Syncro

I do not support murder. And I do think people here raise a great point about the Muslims who refuse to criticize the Muslim terrorists.


159 posted on 07/31/2014 1:29:42 PM PDT by grundle
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To: sargon

I very strongly agree and admire with your comments in post 155.


160 posted on 07/31/2014 1:31:03 PM PDT by grundle
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