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1 posted on 03/31/2014 10:24:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem was there was not a framework in the constitution for peaceful state succession.

Something that laid down a procedural process in where a state may petition and successfully leave the unio9n on it’s own should it see fit and how to re-distribute the federal property back tot he other states and what portion stays with the state that is leaving.

In some way we could use an amendment that would lay out a process for a state leaving that would be an orderly framework with built in checks and balances to prevent a wat breaking out by a reckless succession.


2 posted on 03/31/2014 10:35:08 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The power of the federal government shall not be challenged.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 11:11:01 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It will all get sorted in the wash.


19 posted on 04/01/2014 2:57:42 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: rockrr

Rally the troops. You know where this one is heading.


24 posted on 04/01/2014 3:36:27 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Through a policy of arbitrary arrests made possible by Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus, persons were seized and confined on the suspicion of disloyalty or of sympathy with the southern cause.
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This also happened during the first civil war AKA as the American Revolution or the War of Independence..

Civilians, non-combatant men, grandmothers and children were arrested and imprisoned for suspicion of sympathy and loyalty to the king of England and the colonies...

Fort Dayton near Albany, NY was built to house dozens and hundreds of ordinary American civilians like grandmother Sarah Kast McGinnis aged in her 60s and her 10 yo granddaughter Hannah De Forest...

Mrs McGinnis never fired a shot at any of the rebels..

Why was she even arrested by men claiming to want freedom from tyranny ???


27 posted on 04/01/2014 3:45:37 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A good reply to this kind of KKK nonsense is Hillsdale professor Thomas Krannawitter's book Vindicating Lincoln.

Also Rich Lowry's article Lincoln Defended.

37 posted on 04/01/2014 4:52:08 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bookmark.


40 posted on 04/01/2014 5:28:53 AM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"We, the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

"We, the People of the United States, . . . do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Our Constitution is a compact between the people of the United States. No state or local government, not even a school board, can sever those bonds between the people except by Constitutional amendment per the terms of Article V of the Constitution. The attempt of a state to "secede" necessarily includes an attempt to deprive each and every U.S. citizen living within that state's borders of every one of his or her Constitutional rights under the U.S. Constitution and an attempt to deprive each such person of his or her U.S. citizenship. It's an abominable notion.

90 posted on 04/01/2014 9:22:09 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Everyone seems to forget that a "State" was a country in those days, not the meaning we apply today.

Otherwise, why have a Secretary of State at state and federal levels?

These United States of America (written The United States of America after the War Between the States) were several and sovereign States (nations) after the Revolution. My ancestors took an oath to the Sovereign State of Maryland after the Revolution.

Those Sovereign States united for the purpose of mutual defense, among other purposes, first as a confederation, later under the Constitution, which specified limited Federal Powers, reserving all other power to the several States and the People.

Each State had its own army (militia), and until the general acceptance of a Federal Coinage, produced its own money (although valuable trade goods such as tobacco and beaver pelts were used as well).

114 posted on 04/01/2014 10:37:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...a nation formed by consecutive secessions, first from Great Britain in 1776,

Not this crap again! (Imagine the photo)

1776 was not a 'secession.' It was a damn full blown, all out revolution against a tyrannical government. The Patriots of 1776 made no pretension that their cause was somehow legal under British law. They were 'rebels' and damn proud of that fact! They staked their "Lives, Fortunes, and Sacred Honor" on their cause, not bizarre interpretations of British law.

It really PO's me when the neo-confederates try to compare the events of 1776 with the totally unjustified (both legally and morally) events of 1860-61.

When the hard core slave power radicals began their violent revolution in 1861, the Federal Government had done nothing to violate any of their their rights. Not one single thing! They just thought they could get away with it and take total power to themselves.

All the blame for the bloodshed of 1861 to 1865 rightly belongs on the souls of the slave power fire eaters who intentionally created that awful war solely to advance their financial interests.

163 posted on 04/01/2014 7:11:02 PM PDT by Ditto
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