Obama birth record, citizenship, unraveled for Alabama Supreme Court?

Coach is Right ^ | 3/16/14 | George Spelvin

[Oldpuppymax]

Barack Hussein Obama’s birth riddle is being analyzed in a 13 page, Amicus Curiae brief filed with the Alabama Supreme Court by Harvard Attorney Albert W.L. Moore Jr. The brief promises to offer a straightforward theory as to just who this man in our White House really and truly is. (1)

Moore summarizes what is going on: “He (BHO) was a natural born American on the date of his birth, but further official records prove that he lost American citizenship and constitutional eligibility to the Presidency as definitively confirmed by his 1983 naturalization as an American citizen. By law, this process of naturalization did NOT restore his constitutional eligibility.”

Filed on 13 May, 2013, Attorney Moore (pg. 10) is asking that the AL Supreme Court remand the Obama eligibility conundrum back to the trial court to seek discovery concerning the following: a. subpoenaing his (BHO) DNA; b. all of his Hawai’ian “vital records consisting of an original birth certificate showing his ACTUAL (CiR emphasis) birth parents and his amended birth certificate showing his adoptive parents.” The Moore Amicus further contends that Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama Sr, a Luo tribesman...

[stockpirate]

I will be waiting for Rush, Sean and Levin to cover this story in great detail.........yeah right.....sarcasm over

[ROCKLOBSTER]

your fairy tale has no evidence

Nor paragraphs.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

If SAD is his mom despite what any 18th Century law, dictionary says in the eyes of most Americans.he is as American as Chevrolet.

Belief in a lie doesn't make it fact (see Global Warming) Besides, Chevrolet is a French name, and most of their production takes place in China.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

Not married to MalCoX?

I didn’t know marriage had anything to do with it...just the name and citizenship of the father.

[Kenny Bunk]

(1) Whenever you see a blog using the words "Harvard Attorney," anyone past HS ought to know one is dealing with hosshiite.
Just WTF is a "Harvard Attorney," anyway?
(2)This is ... 9/10 chance ... pure hosshiite and pope-jammery put out by Team Obama to further muddy the smokescreen.
(3) As any FReeper self-trained cyber-attorney can tell you, if one is born an NBC, no tribe of Indonesian Headhunters, Fuzzy Wuzzies, or even Bella Coola Native Americans can remove the condition, especially in the case of a minor.
(4) The Alabama Supremes are actually dealing with a procedural matter.
(5)The Mombasa MF is not who he says he is. His documentation is phony, and we, (and quite possibly he,) have no frickin' clue who or what this guy is, except that somehow he is the faux-POTUS, and with 18 months to go, he is not going to be impeached, arrested, canonized by the Pope, or any other form of relief given to the American people .... who elected the impostor twice and who in large number think Trayvon Martin and JFK are Holy Virgins and Martyrs and know more about Brittany Spears than about Thomas Jefferson.

This is a distraction. Perhaps ... and this is just a suggestion from a child of the 50s ... we ought to concentrate on hobbling him by installing an opposition Congress in 2014; a Congress made up of the right, non-RINO stuff.

Governatrix Palin is correct. This is the beginning of the End of an Error.

[Kenny Bunk]

One more thing .... it is possible that the purpose of this "Harvard Attorney" is to establish that The Mombasa MF was a Natural Born Citizen at birth and to make that look as if that's what the Alabama Supremes think.

I smells a big rat.

[VikingMom]

Exactly correct machogirl - If Bambi was born in August 1961, then he would have been 19 when Carter reinstated the Selective Service in 1980. He would have been required to register retroactively, just like my husband, born in 1960, and the person you mentioned in Arizona. This question was brought up prior to the first election and should have been thoroughly researched then.

Jack Black has attempted to muddy the waters but the dates of exemption are very specific and Obama does not fit into them....(and probably Jack doesn’t either)

[advertising guy]

sure are a lotta folk here who straight up lie...I appreciate your cander.....sven has said how Obeernuts is illegal, how Obeernuts made his choice and how legally the docs can be acquired......yet he is attacked by liars

such are the choices we make

[elengr]

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but there is something unseemly about a woman (even one who might be completely right in what she is saying) chiding a man for perhaps not properly registering with the selective service. Somehow that seems best left to the other men, those have registered and/or served.

[elengr]

It is likely that aka obama’s parents are not whom we have been led to believe they were, but even if both were citizens of the USA when aka obama was born and he actually was born on American soil, he still would be guilty of criminal identity fraud perpetrated against the American people.

As far as I know, committing a felony disqualifies one from becoming president, so, no matter which way he tries to slice it, he still comes up ineligible.

[DrDude]

Too many have tunnel vision, IMHO. We, as a large group, need to outmaneuver Obama in a better manner than attacking each other. The goal remains the same. The TARGET keeps moving.

[VikingMom]

Strawman argument at best....

I wasn’t “chiding” Jack Black. I was simply pointing out that he was claiming to be exempt from registration but by his own dates given that is incorrect. More importantly, he was inferring that Obama may have been in the window that didn’t have to register and that is flat out false,

As for me being disrespectful towards men who have registered/served....the men in my family have been involved in every major conflict ever fought in this country - going back over 300 years...in every branch of the military. I have more respect for their service than you will ever know and the social experimentation/decimation of the US Armed Forces is one of the major reasons that I want to see Barack Obama exposed for the anti-American that he is!

[elengr]

Jack Black may well be a closed obot. I am not defending him nor am I doubting your respect towards those who have served and sacrificed for our great country. I am not even complaining that men are expected to carry the bulk of the direct burden of defense of country while women are not. We are a dimorphic species and that simply is the way of nature.

Please read about the Order of the White Feather in England during world war one.

[Nero Germanicus]

There are different requirements to be considered a “Citizen of the United States At Birth” based on the wedlock status of the parents IF the child was born outside of the boundaries of the United States.
http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-child-born-abroad.html

[MMaschin]

I agree. This appears to me to be Sven’s narrative...with absolutely no credible source of documentary or witness evidence offered that I have seen, unlike Zullo’s filing which included both open and sealed claims of evidence.

I believe you are missing the point of Moore's amicus brief. He does not need to show evidence of what he is saying, that is what discovery is for. Moore is providing a narrative that the court can weigh when it makes it's ruling.

What evidence is there that Moore's narrative is invalid? We have evidence from the CCP that shows the LFBC is fraudulent - and that would fit into the narrative. So, as the court looks at it, Moore's narrative would seem more likely than one that the SOS provided - that Obama has released multiple BC's that show he is eligible.

The narrative provides an important legal purpose, even if you do not believe it's true. It allows the court to weigh the possibility that the people of the state of Alabama were injured by the lack of the SOS performing her legal duty. And argues that the case should be sent to discovery, so that the plaintiffs can prove to the court that the SOS's lack of performing her required duties, resulted in such harm.

So, assume the court rules against the SOS, and says she is legally required to verify the eligibility of Presidential candidate Obama, what is to keep the SOS from simply sending a letter to the Hawaii DOH and receiving a letter like Bennett, and calling that sufficient? That would be the likely outcome of such a ruling.

I believe it's important that the plaintiffs do not simply get a ruling in their favor, they need the case to move to discovery phase so that they can verify that the SOS lack of verification resulted in harm to the plaintiffs, and the people of Alabama.

[Kenny Bunk]

....As far as I know, committing a felony disqualifies one from becoming president, so, no matter which way he tries to slice it, he still comes up ineligible....

You and I have a problem dealing with ambiguity. Of course Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.(or II) was ineligible to run for POTUS. However, whether you and I accept it, he is the POTUS. That is he (and Reggie Love) flying above us in AF 1.

He isn't, but he is. It is this "Cognitive Dissonance" that is at the heart of the wreck the country has become under his administrations. IMNVHO, the very best thing for us to do right now is to make sure he is hobbled by good people in Congress for the rest of 2014, and 2015. We are on a train, speeding toward destruction on the wrong track. But before we back up and get re-started in the right direction, we have to stop, change the crew, and then change the engineer.

[elengr]

Like most of us, I can chew gum and walk at the same time, but that stated, I agree with everything you wrote. :)

[Jack Black]

I’m not trying to muddy the waters.

I was born in Oct. 1958, so I do fit into the exempt window. Amazingly so did my (now deceased) brother who was born in Nov, 1959.

Obama doesn’t fit into the window (assuming the birth date we have for him is correct).

But, there is a window. That was my main point.

[Seizethecarp]

“I believe you are missing the point of Moore’s amicus brief. He does not need to show evidence of what he is saying, that is what discovery is for. Moore is providing a narrative that the court can weigh when it makes it’s ruling.”

I see exactly what Moore is doing and I totally disagree with your characterization of Moore’s narrative.

Zullo disputes the evidence in the trial court record under review. He provides sealed new evidence in support which undermines narrative in the court record and undermines the constitutional requirement that a state honor the records of another state which it wouldn’t if the other state’s record can be proved to be forged if adequate discovery was ordered.

Moore provides no evidence that refutes the trial court record, and no new evidence of his new narrative. Moore’s filing is a giant hearsay which would be OK at the trail record when discovery is pending but inappropriate at the appeals level. Moore is asking for a pure speculative fishing expedition. Zullo has claimed trial-worthy evidence including an affidavit/report by document expert concluding that the WH BC is forged.

Big difference between Zullo’s filing and Moore’s, IMO! (IANAL)

[Jack Black]

If you turned 18 in 78, you were born in 60 and 18 in 79, you were born in 61.

I turned 20 in 1978, as I was born in 1958. But I see that I misstated that. Sorry for the confusion.