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Mosiah 2

Ah...

Book of MORMON postings.

I just LOVE them!

Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle...

Oh?

The BIGGEST battle EVER recorded; and not ONE even teeny bit of evidence of it can be found!!

The Book of Ether

Chapter 15

Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle—Shiz and Coriantumr assemble all the people to mortal combat—The Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with them—The Jaredite nation is utterly destroyed—Only Coriantumr remains.

1 And it came to pass when Coriantumr had recovered of his wounds, he began to remember the ^awords which Ether had spoken unto him.

2 He saw that there had been slain by the sword already nearly ^atwo millions of his people, and he began to sorrow in his heart; yea, there had been slain two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.

3 He began to repent of the evil which he had done; he began to remember the words which had been spoken by the mouth of all the prophets, and he saw them that they were fulfilled thus far, every whit; and his soul ^amourned and refused to be ^bcomforted.

4 And it came to pass that he wrote an epistle unto Shiz, desiring him that he would spare the people, and he would give up the kingdom for the sake of the lives of the people.

5 And it came to pass that when Shiz had received his epistle he wrote an epistle unto Coriantumr, that if he would give himself up, that he might slay him with his own sword, that he would spare the lives of the people.

6 And it came to pass that the people repented not of their iniquity; and the people of Coriantumr were stirred up to anger against the people of Shiz; and the people of Shiz were stirred up to anger against the people of Coriantumr; wherefore, the people of Shiz did give battle unto the people of Coriantumr.

7 And when Coriantumr saw that he was about to fall he fled again before the people of Shiz.

8 And it came to pass that he came to the waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all; wherefore, when they came to these waters they pitched their tents; and Shiz also pitched his tents near unto them; and therefore on the morrow they did come to battle.

9 And it came to pass that they fought an exceedingly sore battle, in which Coriantumr was wounded again, and he fainted with the loss of blood.

10 And it came to pass that the armies of Coriantumr did press upon the armies of Shiz that they beat them, that they caused them to flee before them; and they did flee southward, and did pitch their tents in a place which was called Ogath.

11 And it came to pass that the army of Coriantumr did pitch their tents by the hill Ramah; and it was that same hill where my father Mormon did ^ahide up the records unto the Lord, which were sacred.

12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.

13 And it came to pass that Ether did ^abehold all the doings of the people; and he beheld that the people who were for Coriantumr were gathered together to the army of Coriantumr; and the people who were for Shiz were gathered together to the army of Shiz.

14 Wherefore, they were for the space of four years gathering together the people, that they might get all who were upon the face of the land, and that they might receive all the strength which it was possible that they could receive.

15 And it came to pass that when they were all gathered together, every one to the army which he would, with their wives and their children—both men, women and children being armed with ^aweapons of war, having shields, and ^bbreastplates, and head-plates, and being clothed after the manner of war—they did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.

16 And it came to pass that when it was night they were weary, and retired to their camps; and after they had retired to their camps they took up a howling and a ^alamentation for the loss of the slain of their people; and so great were their cries, their howlings and lamentations, that they did rend the air exceedingly.

17 And it came to pass that on the morrow they did go again to battle, and great and terrible was that day; nevertheless, they conquered not, and when the night came again they did rend the air with their cries, and their howlings, and their mournings, for the loss of the slain of their people.

18 And it came to pass that Coriantumr wrote again an epistle unto Shiz, desiring that he would not come again to battle, but that he would take the kingdom, and spare the lives of the people.

19 But behold, the ^aSpirit of the Lord had ceased striving with them, and ^bSatan had full power over the ^chearts of the people; for they were given up unto the hardness of their hearts, and the blindness of their minds that they might be destroyed; wherefore they went again to battle.

20 And it came to pass that they fought all that day, and when the night came they slept upon their swords.

21 And on the morrow they fought even until the night came.

22 And when the night came they were ^adrunken with anger, even as a man who is drunken with wine; and they slept again upon their swords.

23 And on the morrow they fought again; and when the night came they had all fallen by the sword save it were fifty and two of the people of Coriantumr, and sixty and nine of the people of Shiz.

24 And it came to pass that they slept upon their swords that night, and on the morrow they fought again, and they contended in their might with their swords and with their shields, all that day.

25 And when the night came there were thirty and two of the people of Shiz, and twenty and seven of the people of Coriantumr.

26 And it came to pass that they ate and slept, and prepared for death on the morrow. And they were large and mighty men as to the strength of men.

27 And it came to pass that they fought for the space of three hours, and they fainted with the loss of blood.

28 And it came to pass that when the men of Coriantumr had received sufficient strength that they could walk, they were about to flee for their lives; but behold, Shiz arose, and also his men, and he swore in his wrath that he would slay Coriantumr or he would perish by the sword.

29 Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had ^aall fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.

30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.

31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and ^afell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.

32 And it came to pass that ^aCoriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.

33 And the Lord spake unto Ether, and said unto him: Go forth. And he went forth, and beheld that the words of the Lord had all been fulfilled; and he ^afinished his ^brecord; (and the ^chundredth part I have not written) and he hid them in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.

34 Now the last words which are written by ^aEther are these: Whether the Lord will that I be translated, or that I suffer the will of the Lord in the flesh, it mattereth not, if it so be that I am ^bsaved in the kingdom of God. Amen.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15

If you have followed my posting history, you will know that I have attempted to correct the so-called Flying Inmans and others when I believed they incorrectly stated LDS or Mormon history.

And your attempts HAVE been successful!

That youtube link you posted, and the lds.org website posting on blacks and the priesthood as LDS doctrine completely ignore the August 17, 1949 statement of LDS President George Albert Smith, signed by all three members of the LDS First Presidency.

MORMONs are VERY good at completely ignoring things that displease them and/or makes the 'church' look bad.

Had Winston lived in Utah; he could quite easily worked in the CYA Department under Temple Square.

http://newcitymovement.typepad.com/newcitymovement/2006/11/legendary_lds_u.html

Not to mention the “Lying for the Lord” doctrine...

Feeling the sweet spirit of the Lord is not weakness nor sentimentalism...
Feeling the demonic spirit of MormonISM is deception2

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Are you saying the sweep spirit of the Lord is deception?

The BIGGEST battle EVER recorded; and not ONE even teeny bit of evidence of it can be found!!

One of the craziest lds sideshows I used to see (ex-mormon) are these amateur mormon archaeologists who put on traveling shows to wards across the country showing "nephite coins" and "lamanite arrowheads" and insisting they've found lost cities in the Utah desert, but the global anti-mormon conspiracy deletes the satellite photography and that the Gentile scientists are ignoring, stealing or destroying their evidence.

Kinda takes "lying for the lord" to a schizophrenic level...but I imagine some circus tents are folding now that DNA shows Native Americans are not Jews cursed by God after all. (Yes, I'm sure God can change DNA, please tip your waitress)

Google or YouTube "mormon archaeology" I'm sure some P. T. Bunkum is still plying their trade ;)

The Book of Ether (Chapter 15)

30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.
31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and fell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.

Well! So would I!!!

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Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle—Shiz and Coriantumr assemble all the people to mortal combat—The Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with them

In the beginning Jared was bless but over time the children called Jadeites no longer keep the Lord’s commandments so the Spirit of the Lord departed.

One can not be contentious and expect the sweetest of the Holy Spirit always be with them.

The Holy Spirit does not remain where darkness lives.

Not really there are many talks on this subject where that is discussed.

BTW

What did you think of John Frederick Blumenbach the age of Enlightenment?

What did you think of the Spectrum?

This is nothing new there are many places like that all over the US Tanners Lighthouse needs to get a life.

Washington DC
http://belowthecapital.org/

Underground city
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_city

When I was a kid it was fun to walk through the GM underground tunnel from GM building to the Fisher Theater building in Detroit.

Pedestrian Tunnel Connects Two Detroit Landmarks
http://news.yahoo.com/pedestrian-tunnel-connects-two-detroit-landmarks-172200169.html

I really don’t know why nor am I going to speculate but I do have a bone with this Zavadee Coltrin who was the instigator if I read history correctly that set this in motion.

Why This Web Site
http://www.blacklds.org/

IMHO and sadly see that hearts and minds of mortals struggle to over come their weakness and that we have to do the right things in all that the Lord gives us.

No one can speak for the dead why? all one can do is to correct that which was wronged.

This is a time line

Ecerpt
1949: The First Presidency issues a statement that frames the question of priesthood as “the attitude of the Church”: “The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization.” However, the First Presidency does not (and cannot) produce any such document purporting to be a direct revelation or commandment, nor does the general body of Saints ever publically raise their hands to sustain any such document,which is the regular practice of the Church in accepting official scripture.

The First Presidency continues later in the statement to say that “the details of this principle have not been made known.”

http://ldsmag.com/article/1/9461

All I can say is the sweet Spirit of our Black brethren in Church and Sunday school is such joy to witness and enriching bring nourishment to the soul the sweet spirit they impart in the lesson bring new insight to the Lessons.

I have several responses to your last post but believe this issue will not be resolved between us.

If you would like to hear my responses, then please let me know.

Otherwise, have a Blessed day, my FRiend.

In all Sincerity

Deconstructing Linus: Portrait of a True Believing Pumpkinist as a Young Man

What does the Great Pumpkin offer Linus? Why does Linus spend every Halloween in the pumpkin patch, waiting for the Great Pumpkin to appear? Is it about the toys?

"Each year on Halloween night, the Great Pumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the most sincere and flies through the air with his pack of toys for all the good little children in the world."

No. This is about sincerity, a subjective standard by any definition.

I wonder if Linus blames himself every year for not picking the most sincere pumpkin patch for his vigil?

I wonder if other Great Pumpkinists castigate Linus by asserting if he were more in tune with the Spirit of the Great Pumpkin, if he were more prayerful, if he read the Holy Writ of the Great Pumpkin with a greater sincerity, that he could indeed rise to the challenge and, via the Spirit, be lead to choose the most sincere pumpkin patch?

I wonder how many years Linus will feel guilty for this failure and blame himself for receiving no answer no matter how sincere he believes himself to be?

I wonder if Linus ever gets frustrated because there is no objective way to measure sincerity? And if he realizes there is no objective standard for such a thing, I wonder if it ever creeps into his mind that his annual mission is nothing more than mindless busywork?

I wonder, does Linus ever has doubts?

For the time being, however, Linus will put aside his doubts and, perhaps as a means of proving his sincerity, begins to proselyte among his friends for converts. Most shrug him off. But Sally, who has a crush on him, believes Linus and agrees to spend Halloween in Linus’ Pumpkin Patch.

Linus then explains that by using positive language and positive thinking, they may be able to attract the Great Pumpkin to their Patch. He also cautions Sally that negative language and negative thinking will cause the Great Pumpkin to pass them by.

There is no room for doubt when one is a Great Pumpkinist. One should never say if the Great Pumpkin comes but always when the Great Pumpkin comes. "One little slip like that, can cause the Great Pumpkin to pass you by!" It’s hard to imagine a benevolent icon such as the Great Pumpkin punishing TBPs (True Believing Pumkinists) for such a minor infraction, but there you have it.

Sally: The Birth of an Ex-Pumpkinist

Because Sally loves her “sweet baboo” Linus, she sets aside her own Halloween plans of trick-or-treating and a Halloween party in order to spend the evening in the Pumpkin Patch. She converts to Great Pumpkinism because she loves Linus. She respects his opinion. And she wants to make him happy and be supportive. And besides, if it’s really true, WOW! Wouldn’t that be fantastic?

But in the end, the only Being that shows up in the Pumpkin Patch is Snoopy. Linus, believing Snoopy to be the Great Pumpkin, swoons into an ecstatic faint, happy in the knowledge that he has finally deciphered the Great Pumpkin’s standard for sincerity. But, alas, it is a misplaced hope, and when Linus regains consciousness, there is not only no Great Pumpkin there to reward him, there is one upset little girl.

"I was robbed! I spent the whole night waiting for the Great Pumpkin when I could have been out for tricks or treats! Halloween is over and I missed it! You blockhead! You kept me up all night waiting for the Great Pumpkin and all that came was a beagle!"

"I didn't get a chance to go out for tricks or treats! And it was all your fault! I'll sue! What a fool I was. And I could have had candy apples and gum! And cookies and money and all sorts of things! But no, I had to listen to you! You blockhead. What a fool I was. Trick or treats come only once a year. And I missed it by sitting in a pumpkin patch with a blockhead. You owe me restitution!"

Luckily for Sally, she only missed one Halloween. And though she is demanding restitution, because her participation was voluntary, she will never receive said restitution. She’ll simply have to accept the experience as one of life’s absurdities and move on.

However, one can hope that this experience has made Sally a more skeptical person, so that the next time she is presented with such fantastic claims, she’ll perhaps be inclined to do her research before committing any time, money or emotion.

After all, fantastic claims should be supported by fantastic evidence, right?

The question now becomes, has this experience made Linus a skeptic? After yet again not having his Pumpkin Patch recognized as sincere and after having endangered his friendship with Sally, will he continue to believe?

In spite of a complete and utter lack of evidence pointing to the existence of the Great Pumpkin, and a complete and utter lack of the Great Pumpkin’s Promise ever having been fulfilled, Linus is a True Believing Pumpkinist to the core. To even admit the possibility that he may be wrong would be to negate all those years of hard work and sincere belief. Linus simply cannot turn his back on his belief.

So if Linus doesn't become an ex-Pumpkinist, what is his strategy? Well, he’s going to keep on trying, isn't he?

"What do you mean, 'stupid'? Just wait until next year. I'll find a pumpkin patch, and I'll sit in that pumpkin patch and it'll be a sincere pumpkin patch, and the Great Pumpkin will come! Just you wait and see! I'll sit in that pumpkin patch, and I'll see the Great Pumpkin. Just wait until next year!"

Just for you Elsie..

Just for anyone who wants to learn a little bit more about rarely discussed MORMON history:

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The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,

and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,

has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”

-- Historian Robert Carter

I’m saying that whatever ‘sweet’ spirit is talking to you is deceiving you about the merits of MormonISM.

And they get BIG bucks for them, too!

http://bountifultravel.com/?gclid=CIa39rfS57sCFcsRMwodjRAArg

The Holy Spirit does not remain where darkness lives.

And the Holy Spirit made MILLIONS of tools of warfare VANISH.

Is THAT what you REALLY believe??

Are Mormons REALLY this gullible?

What do you think of the PICTURE at the link?

Or have you IGNORED it like everything else; for it might upset your TESTIMONY?

Lighthouse needs to get a life.

Speaking of life; when yours ends, will you stay forever in GOD the Father's presense?

Are you a 'worthy' MORMON?

Will your family be with you FOREVER?

...who was the instigator if I read history correctly that set this in motion.

I've seen no evidence of it yet!