Posted on 12/26/2013 10:12:33 AM PST by Fawn
It is important to note that the only person to “see” and authenticate the long form birth certificate of one President Barrack H. Obama is now dead in a plane crash. Even more controversial is the one that they submitted as truth on the Whitehouse.gov website is 10 layered in Photo Shop and thought to be fake. The conspiracy never seems to die.
Now a whistle blower comes forward and claims she forged Obama’s birth certificate in 1985. She doesn’t just claim that she did the long form, but the short form as well. Both those claims if proven are enough to make people worry about who really is our President.
Funny how this person is not only a family member but also insists she did it for the drug cartels in Mexico. Fast and Furious and the Federal Court ruling to include drugs and child smuggling make more sense now.
So you have firsthand, insider knowledge that enables you to say w certitude that the odds of the coroner missing something as obvious as a heart attack are greater than, for example, the exploding engine having been tampered w. You sound like you’re trying to put yourself in place of God. He alone knows at this point ALL the circumstances surrounding the catastrophic engine failure. You don’t know why it failed or anything else about this case, at least from an eye witness, insider POV. Yet you claim to KNOW. You claim to know a priori the odds that only an omnipotent entity wd know.
Why not just let the investigation run its course? Given the players, no one is holding their breath that evidence of engine tampering, even if it exists, will be revealed. At least after the reports are released, however, we can talk about what is alleged to have happened, as opposed to handing down sweeping pronouncements masquerading as objective truth despite the absence of actual facts.
Fred Nerks, Butterdezillion, all
Check out the comments here; quite interesting:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=443318
No one should forget the political context of any further investigations and potential court actions, that the Chairwoman of the NTSB is an Obama appointee and that Obama is a Hawaii “favorite son” who got 71% of the popular vote there.
Also, the full-time federal District Court Judges in Hawaii are one Clinton-appointed Chief Judge and three Obama-appointed District Judges.
So in the middle of a discussion re: Fuddy dying in the water you engaged in a sidebar about ppl dying in the water that had zero to do w Fuddy? If it was completely irrelevant, why bother? We cd have a discussion about ppl dying of spontaneous combustion, but what relevance wd it have to the discussion at hand? By the same token, why talk about ppl dying in life preservers if it in no way touches on the subject at hand?
I like this one...
Another thing to take good note on… why are the seats separated from the AC and not attached to the AC’s floor frame?
** I AM 110% CONVINCED THAT THIS IS TOTALLY A DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT AND NUMEROUS PARTS OF AN AC COLLECTED FROM A JUNK YARD AND STACKED ON THIS SHIP…ANOTHER SCANDAL OF MUSLIM OBAMA’S SERIOUS MURDER COVER-UP HAPPENING HERE!!!
Could this also be another AC that actually crashed some years ago..and the PUBLIC is shown of these FAKE COVER-UP PHOTOS?
OBAMA AND THE CIA/CHICAGO ORGANIZED CRIMINALS ARE AT IT AGAIN…ANOTHER SCANDAL AND DISTRACTIONS AWAY FROM OBAMA’S OTHER DIRTY WORKS HAPPENING SOMEWHERE!!! DISTRACTIONS FROM THE MUSLIM’S MEGA TAX HEALTH BILL!
funny thing about that - the photographs of the wreckage on the slavage ship look as if it’s a much older wreck than something that had only been in the water a matter of how long?
And this one: (Caps in original)
IT’S ALL A COVER-UP…THESE AC LOOKS LIKE IT WAS GATHERED UP FROM THE AC JUNK YARD, PUT ON THIS SHIP! THERE IS NO WAY HELL THAT THE AC WILL LOOK THIS WAY IF IT LANDED ON WATER..WHY IS THE AC ON THE PICTURE “UP SIDE DOWN”? IF THE AC LANDED SAFELY AND SANK…IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPRIGHT, AND ANY RECOVERY OF AN UPRIGHT AC SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOOKED UP FOR RECOVERY IN AN UPRIGHT POSITION, PUT ONTO THE SHIP IN AN UPRIGHT POSITION…PRETTY MUCH IN TACK!!! OBAMA CLOWNS ARE AT IT AGAIN!!!
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/slideshow?widgetid=99344
SLIDESHOW OF 17 IMAGES OF ENGINE AND AIRCRAFT WRECKAGE
Your intensity tells me she must be his sister, or why would you be on the thread?
Well, if that is what passes for logic in your head, there’s really no hope for you.
I already explained it to you twice, not going to bother trying a third time, if you can’t fathom it.
Uh huh. Note the words “eventually” and “most” in that quote? Not “immediately” and “all”, as would be required to support your assertions.
You still can’t wish away documented cases of people drowning in these things, even if you keep quoting wikipedia.
The commuter airline industry in Hawaii has been a huge soap opera at least since Aloha Air went bankrupt. I’ve said from the beginning that there could be many motives for foul play in all of this, and the companies and individuals involved have a right to a fair and just investigation. They’re not getting it, though, and that leads me to wonder why not.
Why did the discussion of ppl drowning in life jackets even transpire if it had nothing/zero to do w Fuddy? Are you saying no one on the thread has even insinuated she might have drowned? Because if the suggestion has been made, then certainly the circumstances of drowning deaths involving life jackets wd be/is relevant.
I tried to look for public comments by Richard Schuman on Dec 20 about divers but couldn’t find it. But then, Google tools don’t work on my computer sometimes. If anybody can find that, it would be great to see what Schuman said, exactly.
Just as no one should not forget that the person who held her position before she was appointed, resigned shortly after taking office, and dear old Fuddy might have achieved the position as a result of being known to be a compliant, possibly sycophantic individual - not on good health. Her personal physician report might tell us if she was fit to hold such a high-powered office, or if she would have been much wiser to retire, lose some weight and take care of herself.
Fancy that - the Director of the Health Department of Hawaii was a sick old lady...how embarrassing.
“I’ve had more success nailing jello to the wall than I have in trying to explain to you the difference between a bounancy vest and a life jacket/preserver.”
Well, the problem is that I don’t care about your explanations, because the difference is apparent to everyone. It’s also of no consequence, since, as I’ve already repeatedly told you, there are documented cases of people drowning using BOTH types of flotation devices. For some reason, though, you keep ignoring that and repeating yourself.
“Now go and talk to someone else, before the Mods pull the thread because you are stirring the pot.”
You keep spamming me with the same repetitive posts, why don’t you just stop if you don’t want to talk to me?
Discussion with you is pointless. I’m not going to waste my time with somebody who shrugs off the foundation of fair and just law enforcement: maintaining the integrity of critical evidence.
“So you have firsthand, insider knowledge that enables you to say w certitude that the odds of the coroner missing something as obvious as a heart attack are greater than, for example, the exploding engine having been tampered w.”
Well, that is putting words in my mouth which I didn’t say. At this point, the cause of death hasn’t been announced. Plenty of people around here want to draw all sorts of wild conclusions from that simple fact, but I’m not one of them. So I am not saying that the coroner missed something (though I’m sure its possible).
I already, in my last reply, quoted my statement and said I stand by that, so feel free to scroll back up and refresh your memory as to what I actually said, instead of trying to get me to defend statements I didn’t make.
“Why not just let the investigation run its course?”
I’m fine with that, as long as the conspiracy fans stop tossing out their “Fuddy was murdered by Obama because she knew too much” posts. If they keep posting that crap, then I’m going to continue to respond to them and point out how ridiculous they sound.
Here’s one, there are many:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/12/hawaii-health-official-killed-in-plane-crash/
Engine failed in Hawaii plane crash that killed top health official
Published December 12, 2013 / Associated PressHONOLULU – Engine failure caused the crash of a plane in the ocean off Hawaii that killed the director of the state health department, the owner of the airline said Thursday. Eight other people onboard, including the pilot, survived.
Owner Richard Schuman of Makani Kai Air said the pilot did his best to get the single-engine plane down safely and keep the passengers together in the waters off Molokai.
Asked how they survived, he responded: “Will.”
“Getting out of the aircraft was important,” he said. “It was, extremely, a team effort on many people to take care of them.”
The pilot of the 2002 Cessna Grand Caravan was physically OK, said Schuman, who declined to release his name. Little information was available on the conditions of the other passengers.
Maui County officials said the National Transportation Safety Board was investigating the crash that occurred on Wednesday and killed health director Loretta Fuddy.
The plane, bound for Honolulu, went down about a half-mile northwest of Kalaupapa peninsula, Maui Fire Department spokesman Lee Mainaga said in a statement.
Schuman said he did not yet know why the engine failed because he has not been able to see the plane. It crashed soon after takeoff, after getting into the air and making its turn toward Honolulu, he said.
Schuman said the plane had no previous problems.
“There’s only one engine on that plane and when it quits on you, you just have to deal with it in that moment,” he said.
Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said investigators planned to speak with the pilot and some passengers on Thursday.
The location of the wreckage combined with wind and wave conditions likely means it won’t be recoverable, NTSB spokesman Eric Weiss added.
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