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House Republicans back new constitutional challenge to ObamaCare
The Hill ^ | November 12, 2013 | Pete Kasperowicz

Posted on 11/12/2013 12:39:40 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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1 posted on 11/12/2013 12:39:40 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

NEXT YEAR! The Constitution usurped, and the Districts not even the Supremes get it NEXT YEAR?!?

SHEESH!


2 posted on 11/12/2013 12:46:26 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Great, but three years after the fact?


3 posted on 11/12/2013 12:46:31 PM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A district court has already dismissed the case . . .

That constitution thing is so silly.

Let's recall that senators used to look out for the interests of their employers, the states. Consider the chance that presidents would bother to nominate radical lawyers hostile to the Constitution in general, and the 10th Amendment in particular, to a federal bench.

4 posted on 11/12/2013 12:48:53 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ABove pay grade of Supreme Court. They’d never understand it enough to rule correctly.


5 posted on 11/12/2013 12:53:18 PM PST by ToastedHead
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Has to be. The courts can’t rule on a tax until it’s enacted and people actually start paying it. They’ve filed at the earliest possible opportunity it appears.


6 posted on 11/12/2013 12:53:54 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And now you know why Barry refused to nix the individual mandate, so ensuring people are kicked off their current health plans couldn't be undone and no court would accept responsibility for leaving the now uninsured STRANDED without recourse.

FORWARD!

7 posted on 11/12/2013 12:55:37 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: saganite

Thanks.


8 posted on 11/12/2013 12:56:02 PM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And let’s not forget that all taxes must be proportioned equally which makes all the exemptions unconstatutional


9 posted on 11/12/2013 12:56:07 PM PST by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Most of us saw this problem with the bill’s passage before it was passed.


10 posted on 11/12/2013 12:58:26 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How to get lost in the weeds. Useless appeal to a document and system of laws and procedures that is largely discredited and shunned.


11 posted on 11/12/2013 12:58:56 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hey, Democrats...

This is your WAY OUT.
If you have an ounce of brains left you’ll sign on to this.


12 posted on 11/12/2013 1:00:24 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: saganite

The medical device tax part of Obamacare became effective January 1, 2013.


13 posted on 11/12/2013 1:01:51 PM PST by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: Jacquerie

“A district court has already dismissed the case . . .”

Really?


14 posted on 11/12/2013 1:02:43 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Blood of Tyrants

So, Ocare originates in Senate but with mandate considered a fine. Roberts declares it a tax. If tax, had to originate in House right?
I can’t remember what stunt Reid pulled but didn’t he change an old House bill & turn into Ocare bill?


15 posted on 11/12/2013 1:04:41 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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Obamacare was written calling it as a fine, which means it can be applied administratively - i.e. they can grant “waivers”, deciding who does and doesn’t have to pay it. I don’t believe there’s any constitutional basis for Sebelius to be granting anyone a tax exemption.


16 posted on 11/12/2013 1:12:29 PM PST by tacticalogic
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“Really?”

Yes. It really helps to read the article. Try it.


17 posted on 11/12/2013 1:14:54 PM PST by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
(, also known as the Revenue Clause,) [1][2] is as follows:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Obama says his Obmamacare/Affordable Care Act is not a tax...period. Justice John Roberts says OBCARE is a TAX!!!

18 posted on 11/12/2013 1:17:27 PM PST by yoe ( Defund Obamacare now — or risk voter backlash in 2014)
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To: tacticalogic

You’re right, that alone should bury this thing.


19 posted on 11/12/2013 1:17:58 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thank God, but they should somehow get it moved up because of the impact it’s having on lives this year, not in 2 years. I think they should appeal for an emergency hearing.

That said, I have always thought this was Roberts’ intent, but for some reason, nobody picked up on it. I don’t know why he didn’t find it flat out unconstitutional on its face, but whatever, I think he ruled it a tax precisely so that it could be attacked on those grounds.

This would also lead to the overturning of many other acts unconstitutionally “passed” in the Senate and executive orders that have impinged on the privileges of Congress.


20 posted on 11/12/2013 1:25:32 PM PST by livius
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