Posted on 11/05/2013 8:54:50 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike
Representative Fred Upton (R, MI) has introduced a bill in the House of Representatives that would allow individuals to keep their insurance policies.
"I introduced legislation earlier this week, that we hope to have on the floor soon, co-sponsored by more than 50 folks, that says if you had a plan, you will be grandfathered, Upton said. "We'll keep the president's pledge."
Senator Mary Landrieu, the Democrat from Louisiana, has introduced a bill called the "Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act."
"When we passed the Affordable Care Act, we did so with the intention that if you liked your health plan, you could keep it. A promise was made and this legislation will ensure that this promise is kept," Senator Landrieu said.
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As long as Dirty Harry can bury these without a vote, it’s just wasted time in my view.
The Obama administration will resist this, tooth and nail.
The exchanges will collapse unless they can force the healthy and higher-incoming people into their exchanges.
Guess who sees sticker shock in Obamacare? The healthy and higher-income (ie, those who will get no subsidies).
The exchanges will collapse if all they have are the high-cost people on the plans, the people with pre-existing conditions, the people who can’t pay the premium and need a subsidy, the 1 to 5% who consume at least half of all medical services. Obama’s minions know this. They’re already in a tizzy that young people are not signing up - because the young people are needed to pay for the older people’s consumption of medical services.
The Obama administration will resist this, tooth and nail.
The House will pass it and send it on to the Senate. Which of these 12 democrats up for re-election in 2014 will not support it?
Mark Begich of Alaska / Richard Durbin of Illinois / Al Franken of Minnesota / Kay Hagan of North Carolina / Mary Landrieu of Louisiana / Jeff Merkley of Oregon / Mark Pryor of Arkansas / Jack Reed of Rhode Island / Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire / Mark Udall of Colorado / Tom Udall of New Mexico / Mark Warner of Virginia
Obama’s Weapon of Mass Deception Has Senate Dem Fingerprints All Over It
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3087677/posts
I am not seeing how these “you get to keep it” bills are going to work. Maybe I’m stupid. The law says new policies have to have XYZ features. Few bought those features because they did not need them, (eg; men with maternity coverage) or perhaps an economic decision was made. The law thus prohibits the ins companies from offering such “defeatured” products. The ins companies are just obeying the law.
Now we could have all manner of discussions as to how stupid the law is but there can’t be a bill that turns into a law that forces an entity to break the law.
But I’m shallow and superficial for not being able to see how this is supposed to work. There really is no law, it’s become an obsolete concept.
I am not seeing how these “you get to keep it” bills are going to work.
They are designed to “undermine” the ACA, not help it. The ACA will falter for lack of self funding because the mandates will not be enforceable.
The House will pass it and send it on to the Senate. Which of these 12 democrats up for re-election in 2014 will not support it?
Reid won’t bring it up for a vote and McConnell won’t do a darn thing about it. He won’t even engage the fight. It will be another preemptive surrender like the big cloture vote.
Of course they are not going to work, and Congress has no authority to pass such a law anyway.
I suppose Congress could require continuation of those policies IF THEY STILL EXISTED, but they won't still exist. Congress could (illegally) nationalize the insurance companies, I suppose.
What Congress SHOULD do is the one thing that is within their actual Article I powers, which is to impeach and convict Obama, removing him from office.
All this other stuff is just BS.
OK.
Now, remember that “veto” power that Obama has? He’ll use it.
Obama doesn’t have to run for election again.
I’m in favor of Boehner adjourning the House until next September, or about the time businesses start sending out notices to their employees that they’re terminating their insurance plans.
You’re right, these bills won’t work, absent pulling out large chunks of the regulations set up by Obamacare. That is where the grandfathering issue was defined, BTW, not in the enabling legislation.
Then there is the risk pool collapse issue I spoke to above. Obama’s minions will see the immediately mathematical collapse of the exchanges if people with low premiums are allowed to keep their plans, so Obama will oppose allowing people to keep their plans.
Obama has now trapped himself. He’s played a very stupid game here, and now he gets to win stupid prizes.
How can you keep your old policy if it no longer exists.
Obamacare forced the companies to change their policies, You old policy no longer exists.
This is just BS.
It is the ultimate folly for ANY republicrat to support this.
owebama and the dems have dug themselves a big, deep hole and they keep digging. The pubs should be giving them more shovels.
Democrats have already protected themselves and their friends from the toxic horrors of ObamaCare... they’re ‘exempt’... This stunt - of pretending they care about the rest of us - is just one more lie... It ain’t gonna happen - not a snowballs chance in hell...
“Then there is the risk pool collapse issue I spoke to above.”
My vision problem here is that I don’t think anyone can predict how long this will take to “occur”. And by “occur”, I will parse that meaning into three separate meanings:
1: The risk pool collapse, the feasibility collapse, I would stipulate, can be said to have occurred 90 days post Oct 01 if a statistical analysis shows it to be so at that point.
2: Then there is the stage where such a collapse is acknowledged. I would say that will not occur before mid-year 2014.
3: And then there is the stage where the belief becomes widespread that “we have to do something about this”. Of course “what we have to do” is to revise any policies then in force, raise deductibles, raise non-compliance fines, raise premia, etc; etc; create another bureaucracy or seven to handle the necessary redistributions. What could be more important than to submerge the pure idiocy of this thing under several more legislative layers so that the guts become untouchable?
I’m not sure 0bama has trapped himself as you say. He could beat some kid’s head in on nationwide TV and I do not think his support would ever fall below 40-odd percent.
Obama’s minions will see the immediately mathematical collapse of the exchanges if people with low premiums are allowed to keep their plans, so Obama will oppose allowing people to keep their plans.
Obama has now trapped himself. He’s played a very stupid game here, and now he gets to win stupid prizes.
Obama may veto it, but of course Congress can pass this law. They passed the original, they certainly can amend it. But I don't think we want to get in the process of amending this law, we need to kill it!
Democrats want companies to drop coverage of their employees. But they want it to look like the companies are at fault. Kind of like the game Obama played with insurance companies... That way it doesn't look like democrats are behind it... and corporations can be blamed.
Dems will make a case (privately) that companies will save money - and in the short run they will. In the long run they'll be run over ... just like the insurance companies.
I got a letter a month ago that my Blue Cross plan was canceled as of Jan. 1. Letters that have already been sent out can’t be rescinded.
Those Rats at risk should have thought about this when they voted against Mike Enzi’s plan to do the same thing in 2010.
Too little, too late.
I think by mid-2014, the insurance companies will be public with the information. Many of them are public-traded companies, and they have to report information on their 10-K’s and 10-Q’s. They have no choice, they can’t lie to the investors for the pleasure of King Barry The Affirmatively Actioned.
There will be forward-looking statements made by insurers as to their declining earnings - and this will come as a rude surprise to Wall Street. At this point, the insurers (and the re-insurers who back the insurers) will be on the phone to DC.
There will be little that can be done at this point, because from July onwards, Congress will be mostly out of town campaigning for the November election. The truth will be even more difficult: most people don’t understand actuarial mathematics, nor the concept of risk pools. The Democrats will be calling for “single payer,” but the taxes necessary to implement their vision of “single payer” will be absurdly high. The brutal truth is that there is NO other nation in the world where people get such first-dollar subsidies as Americans do on this subject. And that’s what a lot of people (especially women) want: First-dollar subsidy.
Women helped install Obama. I hope they like the screwing he’s going to give them.
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