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Belize: Shooting, Shovelling, and Shutting up Fails
Gun Watch ^ | 26 October, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 10/25/2013 10:49:39 AM PDT by marktwain

In early October of this year, a man who followed the common Internet advise of shooting, shovelling, and shutting up, is in big trouble.  It is much easier to talk about not having any involvement with police than it is put such talk into practice.  From plustvbelize.com:

A man has been shot and killed in the Cayo district. He is 49 year old Pedro Ruben Luna Andrede. Mr Andrede was shot in Camalote village, Cayo, on a 400 acre private ranch in the roaring River Area, supposedly on Friday September 27. But no one except the shooter knew that Mr Andrede was dead. Pedro Andrede’s family got worried when he did not return home and by Saturday night a search party had formed. It is a bizarre killing because the shooter claims that it was self defense. However, after the man shot Pedro Andrede, he proceeded to burn and then bury the body. On Wednesday at the location we met up with the Family of Mr Andrede, waiting for a report from the Police. We spoke with one of his 9 children, 20 year old Esmeralda Luna, who told us what they know.
Small scale robbery with a machete used to be fairly common in Belize, but I do not know if it still is.  It is possible that the farmer, who has been taken into custody, was justified.  Belize is also known for having a police and judicial system that are not up to first world standards, so one can at least understand the desire not to involve the authorities.

What actually happened though, should give pause to those who advise people to follow in the Belizian farmer's example.  The person who was shot had a family.  The family looked for him, and got the police involved.   The police interrogated the farmer, and the farmer admitted what had happened, though he claimed self defence.

His self defence claim is now undermined by his attempts to dispose of the body, and the fact that he did not contact the police.

Hiding a homicide is not easy in the days of advanced forensic techniques.   A human body is not easy to dispose of.   I recommend that a person who has to shoot in self defense contact the authorities, or have someone else contact them.  You know that you did what had to be done.  The facts are on your side, but you have to be able to present them in the proper way to be sure that justice is done.

Remember that everything that you say on a 911 call is recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.

 Massad Ayoob recommends giving a limited amount of information to police.  This can be done, but it can be difficult in practice.    As with most things, a rehersal, even if only mental,  can help a great deal.

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TOPICS: Government; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; defence; shovel
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To: Nervous Tick

What about real-world corpses that have skulls, spines, femurs, etc?


Wood chippers....


21 posted on 10/25/2013 5:53:26 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: S.O.S121.500

Wood chippers....


Down at the hog trough.


22 posted on 10/25/2013 5:55:45 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: nixonsnose

>>>kind of like if you shoot a bad guy outside, drag him inside.<<<

Modern forensic techniques were mentioned for a reason. First thing a coroner is looking into is whether the body was dragged or not.


23 posted on 10/25/2013 6:56:20 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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--best book on the subject is Alan Corwin's After You Shoot, available through his website Gunlaws.com--
24 posted on 10/27/2013 6:09:14 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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—best book on the subject is Alan Corwin’s After You Shoot, available through his website Gunlaws.com—

I have been meaning to get that one. Alan is a long time friend of mine. One small quibble.. It is Korwin, not Corwin.

http://gunlaws.com/AYS.htm

25 posted on 10/27/2013 6:31:44 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
(--slap hand hand to forehead--) and I have the book laying right here in front of me--

--hope to get to the big Phoenix gunshow and trust Alan Korwin will be there with new stuff---

26 posted on 10/27/2013 6:56:13 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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