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Even more than trucks American runs on electricity.
1 posted on 10/20/2013 6:19:38 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 10/20/2013 6:21:44 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: _Jim

ping.


3 posted on 10/20/2013 6:25:30 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Kartographer

I think Grid Ex is a trial run like the EBT glitch was. Testing....testing..1.2.3.4


4 posted on 10/20/2013 6:26:56 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Kartographer
Got food, water and ammo? A lot of it?


5 posted on 10/20/2013 6:27:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kartographer

You made my brain hurt with that statement.

Requires much more thought to determine which would be worse.

We can survive without power and do so with little rioting. Trucks stop rolling and rioting follows.

So, I’m going with... the worse case would be losing trucking.


6 posted on 10/20/2013 6:28:35 PM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: Kartographer

OK, so what is this alleged vulnerability?


9 posted on 10/20/2013 6:35:52 PM PDT by meyer (Who needs gas chambers when you have Obamacare?)
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To: Kartographer
capable of withstanding a coordinated attack??? hell it's lucky if it could withstand an attack by a fairly large squirrel in the wrong place...
11 posted on 10/20/2013 6:39:19 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Pinging All.

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12 posted on 10/20/2013 6:39:31 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Kartographer
> ... so serious that it could literally blind operational controllers to such an extent that they would be locked out of monitoring systems and unable to maintain grid integrity...

No surprise, that, to anyone who has read up on the Northeast blackout of 2003. That's what happened then -- first was foliage and sagging overloaded power lines -- and the inability of the engineering operators to tell what was going on in real-time allowed things to get worse fast.

The blackout's primary cause was a software bug in the alarm system at a control room of the FirstEnergy Corporation in Ohio. Operators were unaware of the need to re-distribute power after overloaded transmission lines hit unpruned foliage. What would have been a manageable local blackout cascaded into widespread distress on the electric grid.

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A software bug known as a race condition existed in General Electric Energy's Unix-based XA/21 energy management system. Once triggered, the bug stalled FirstEnergy's control room alarm system for over an hour. System operators were unaware of the malfunction; the failure deprived them of both audio and visual alerts for important changes in system state. After the alarm system failure, unprocessed events queued up and the primary server failed within 30 minutes. Then all applications (including the stalled alarm system) were automatically transferred to the backup server, which itself failed at 14:54. The server failures slowed the screen refresh rate of the operators' computer consoles from 1–3 seconds to 59 seconds per screen. The lack of alarms led operators to dismiss a call from American Electric Power about the tripping and reclosure of a 345 kV shared line in northeast Ohio. Technical support informed control room personnel of the alarm system failure at 15:42.

That was in 2003 -- over a DECADE ago.

The fact that similar flaws still exist is a colossal FAIL.

15 posted on 10/20/2013 6:42:48 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...starting to sound pretty good actually)
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About 20 years ago, I was in a control room at a major electrical utility. The guy pointed out how with a few keystrokes on the console I could take out a pretty serious part of the grid.

On the lower operational level, those folks wanted to know everything about you and your equipment, including who your Grandma married all those years ago.

Yes, we’re vulnerable.


17 posted on 10/20/2013 6:47:15 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Kartographer

Grid down for even a week or so means martial law. EBT cards down, banks close, perishable food in stores wasted, water treatment systems down, most businesses closed, hospitals on emergency power and mostly shut down.


19 posted on 10/20/2013 6:56:59 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Kartographer

I suspect if you literally through a monkey ranch into a substation a huge part of the grid would go down.


21 posted on 10/20/2013 7:07:04 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Kartographer

false flag projected yet again for upcoming fake drill this november.


23 posted on 10/20/2013 7:15:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Kartographer

Even with electricity FR sometimes grinds to a halt. Without electricity I would think we wouldn’t be posting here for a while.


25 posted on 10/20/2013 7:18:36 PM PDT by xp38
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I work in telecom, this is bullshit. I have warned about this for years. The vulnerability is that the utility system sites are connected to the control center via the Internet.

It is one thing to have Alarm Data transmitted from remote sites to the control center via the Internet. But, it is ENTIRELY another thing to allow Control Commands to be sent from the control center to the remote sites via the Internet. You are just BEGGING for trouble.

The solution ??? Simple, you install a terminal server and a dial-back modem at each remote site and at the control center.

Using this method:

1. The control center could receive alarm data via the Internet, but would have to dial the remote site via the PSTN to the dial-back modem.

2. The dial-back modem would then drop the control center's call and dial back to the control center's pre-programmed telephone number [in the dial-back modem].

3. Once the remote connection is established, the control center has to put in a username and password.

4. Once the dial-back modem authenticates, the remote site is controlled via SNMP commannds over an RS-232 interface through the terminal server.

Cost for the equipment at each site ??? About a thousand bucks. Monthly recurring cost for PSTN ??? About 20 bucks ...

36 posted on 10/20/2013 9:06:12 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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Meanwhile, our NSA bugs the Mex-Pres’ email and our “best & brightest” are tasked to fix the biggest freedom-killing hammer since the income tax...


38 posted on 10/20/2013 9:42:31 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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