The same way you explain the Mars face.
Posted on 08/07/2013 6:29:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
The following image is a composite created by scanning the WH LFBC using Xerox WorkCentre 7655 upside down using the automatic feeder. The resulting file was opened in Preview, the image rotated 180 degrees and printed to PDF. The resulting PDF was opened in preview, the layers unlocked and moved to the side. In addition, a close up of the signature was ‘blown up’ to show how the background layer, not surprisingly, has filled in some of the white that resulted from the separation of the background and foreground layers.
Note how for example the signature block is fully separated.
(Excerpt) Read more at nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com ...
How do you explain the smiley face in Alvin Onaka’s name?
“The Registrar does not have to be there at anyones’ birth to have very good confidence if they were born in a Hawaiian hospital under normal circumstance and that the information contained in the records are true”
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LOL, you gotta be kidding! You’re telling me that if Alvin Onaka stated that he had “very good confidence” that Obama was born in Hawaii and that the information was correct, that would satisfy your doubts about the President’s birth place.
And what does it mean for a Registrar to have “very good confidence” that the information is true? In many cases, the official issuing a certified copy of a BC wasn’t even born at the time the birth took place.
That’s why we rely on official state records — so that we’re not stuck hoping that someone who wasn’t even alive at the time can support facts about which he personally knows absolutely nothing with “very good confidence.”
I don’t know where you get this stuff from!
“That sort of activity explains the anomalies of Zero’s BC PDF, not some absurdly clumsy attempt at forgery.”
Independent forensic handwriting and computer-document expert Reed Hayes from Hawaii has confirmed the PDF image is a 100% forgery. He has submitted a 40 page report of evidence explaining the forgery to Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse lead investigator Mike Zullo. The guys/opposition who are doing this Xerox experiment are admitted amateurs with no professional computer credentials to compete with Reed Hayes credentials. They are unable to duplicate all of the anomalies on the PDF with accurate precision. Here is Reed Hayes CV and he is court recognized.
http://reedwrite.com/?page_id=11
Do we always have to tell you clowns what "is" is.
When he says it is "true" -that's confidence - but I pointed out to you in the letter to Ken Bennett he didn't say it was "true' at all. Yeah he admits they got a record and that's it. Why deviated from the "true" standard? The information in the Hawaiian vital records can come from anywhere Fogblower. That's a fact, and not all of it in their records can be said with any confidence that it is true.
Like they usually states on Hawaiian birf certificates:
"I certify that is a true copy or abtract...." where the Registrar signs them.
The word "true" is nowhere to be found in the Onaka letter to Bennett.
The same way you explain the Mars face.
“Reed Hayes from Hawaii has confirmed the PDF image is a 100% forgery.”
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You know what I wonder? Why are you devoting all this energy to the PDF?
From the beginning, the operative document here has been the COLB. Once we got past the fact that yes, you could use one to get into Little League and no, taking a picture of a document with one field non-destructively obscured does not magically invalidate the document and no, there were no laser printers in 1961, the talk about the COLB sort of died down.
But it’s the elephant in the room, isn’t it? Unless it’s discredited, it makes not one whit of difference what Zullo comes up with. The COLB proves the case.
So it seems to me that you are sunk unless you can defeat the COLB. Can you tell us, what evidence do you have that shows the COLB to be invalid?
Except that the smiley face in Alvin’s name can’t be attributed to shadows and natural contours.
No, you’ve got it wrong and you’re subjecting us to a red herring.
The State of Hawaii says which records are considered prima facia evidence, and late and/or altered (having major administrative amendments, not typos or bloopers) are NOT prima facie evidence. If a claim is made on a prima facie document the registrar legally presumes it to be true, according to evidentiary standards. But Hawaii statute says that the probative/evidentiary value of a late and/or altered BC must be determined in the administrative or judicial setting in which it is presented as evidence - NOT by the registrar. The State of Hawaii can make no legal presumptions about the truth of the claims on those records. If asked to verify those claims they would not be able to. All they could verify is that a record exists. They could verify that the claims are found on their record. They could NOT verify that any of those claims are legally presumed to be true. And that is exactly how Onaka handled the verification requests.
(This is also why a worker in his office privately told a caller that they would never issue a verification for Obama and that was why they had to stonewall EVERYBODY’s requests for verifications - so there would be no questions asked as to why they wouldn’t issue a verification for Obama. This is also why Janice Okubo gave a legally-binding response to my UIPA request by saying that there aren’t any forms for a letter of verification because they don’t issue them any more. The reason they don’t issue them any more is because of what the other office worker said: if they issued verifications for anybody it would raise questions as to why they would never issue a verification of facts for Obama. Onaka, his office worker, Janice Okubo, the months-long delay by Deputy AG Jill Nagamine regarding Bennett’s request... it is all consistent. They were all 4 adamant that HI was NOT going to issue verifications.)
THAT is why Onaka would not verify anything - and why he made sure his signature was accompanied by initials and why he wouldn’t put his own raised seal to authenticate his signature and certification. In effect, he had his fingers crossed behind his back just to make sure he couldn’t be held legally accountable if somebody interpreted this letter as actually verifying the TRUTH of any of the submitted claims.
When a record is prima facia evidence it is legally presumed to be true, unless there is evidence to overcome that presumption. Obama’s BC is NOT prima facia evidence. If it was, Onaka would have had to verify each of the things Bennett specifically asked him to verify.
As it stands it is OBAMA who has the legal burden of proof if he wants to use his non-valid HI BC as proof of his birth facts. The hard thing for him will be explaining how he could use a valid BC from somewhere else his whole life long and now claim that the HI BC is accurate and the BC he was using before was wrong all along. He can’t have it both ways. Either he was using a fake BC his whole life long, or he’s using one now. Either way, he’s a crook and so are all the people who are covering for him.
And actually, Full Faith and Credit is only codified as applying to judicial decisions and legislative actions, not to individual records such as vital records. One state or territory can refuse to accept the vital records of another. The feds sure do. I think it’s the feds who won’t accept Puerto Rican BC’s because of the proven fraud, and there’s also at least one county in one of the states whose BC’s the feds won’t accept because of the documented fraud there. To be honest, after what I’ve seen from the HDOH, I’m not sure ANY state should be accepting the vital records of Hawaii, and that may be a big part of why they don’t want to show the microfilms to anybody...
The COLB lacks the required certifying elements. Remember, factlack dot org magically got access and took photos, except it was discovered those photos were taken on a different date than was claimed and then factlack dot org removed the incriminating EXIF data. It’s been one failed attempt after another by Obots to defend these documents that have never been presented in any court of law.
“The word “true” is nowhere to be found in the Onaka letter to Bennett.”
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Yes, that’s right. So are you not disputing what I said, that you would consider the Letter of Verification to be legally compelling as long as Onaka said that he had “very good confidence” that the information was true?
I'll even write out the pertinent sections.
"Section 57-8
Within the time prescribed by the board, a certificate of every birth shall be filed with the local registrar of the district in which the the birth occurred, by the physician, midwife or other legally authorized person in attendance at the birth; or if not so attended , by one of the parents.
Section 57-9
(a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and file the certificate. "
Yup yup, I saw Obama born under a coconut tree next to King Kamehameha street!
“THAT is why Onaka would not verify anything”
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BZ, I really am confused. I’ve asked you to explain this to me, and I’m asking again.
How can Onaka verify the truthfulness of that information? How can he know whether it’s true or false? He’s got access to official Hawaiian records and — what else? Where do you expect him to get the facts from?
I’m serious about wanting to know your feelings on this.
That COLB is a proven fake as well.
It was nice of Fact Check to provide very high resolution photos from the Canon 570 camera to help prove the fraud.
I really like that some pictures were taken at night and some - during the day. You can even see the street outside the Obama office in Chicago in one picture - East Wacker Place.
But it is pitch black dark in the windows of a shot with a time stamp difference of only 1 minute and 19 seconds. From daylight to dark in only a minute and half - amazing.
But its the detail in the images that has the proof. Hint: Clean up the forgery image under very high resolution before reprinting a document that is supposed to be printed on security paper.
Not disputing Onaka was covering his butt with parsed legalese, and the verification maybe "true" if you believe in floating pansies in the sky and Obot twinkle toes sending free goodies to planet Nibiru.
The first image that we ever saw of the COLB had a black bar covering the certification number. At the bottom of the document it stated ‘Any Alterations Invalidates This Document’. The blacked out numbers invalidated the document.
Then when that was called out, the next image we see are two FactCheck hippies in a picture holding what appears to be Obama’s COLB with a alleged authentic seal. What we do know is that those two hippies were not qualified in any type of professional forensic attestations of documents. They wouldn’t have known if it was authentic or not. The Hawaii Dept. Of Health officials were asked numerous times to confirm if those images was Obama’s authentic COLB. They refused to acknowledge it.
“I’ll even write out the pertinent sections.”
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LOL!!! That’s the best one yet!
None of those sections are even remotely pertinent!
Look at the title — “Territorial Public Health Statistics Act.” Now, I wonder, why would it say “Territorial”? Could it be that this was the law in the days of the Territory of Hawaii rather than in the State of Hawaii?
Well, let’s see. Yes, those numbers after the sections are years, presumably the years of their passage. And the latest one I can find is 1951.
I’ll leave determining the date that Hawaii joined the Union as an exercise for the reader.
You must be an Obot. No one else could be so adept at making the the birthers look really foolish.
Speaking of vague, how exactly can I can talk about a "document" and then offer "not a word about the document"??? You're not making any sense.
Oops. I meant to say ‘Any Alterations Invalidate This Certificate’.
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