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This seems a pretty good explanation of what is happening with HB937 in North Carolina.
1 posted on 06/28/2013 6:32:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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Afraid of an armed populace, especially one where the Sheriffs do not control who gets a gun. If the sheriffs get to approve permits, their friends get the permits, the “undesirables” do not. It’s all about power.


2 posted on 06/28/2013 6:37:01 AM PDT by rstrahan
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The “Permit Loophole” Politicians love to complain about loopholes. Think “gun show loophole,” for example. Well, the permit system has a real and very dangerous loophole. Permits are valid for years, so a prospective buyer may pass the background check initially, but when the permit is presented at time of sale, no subsequent check is required to be performed to see if anything has changed. If, in the time between purchasing the permit and presenting it at the store, the buyer had become ineligible to buy the firearm there is no way to tell that from the permit. A sale would be completed, based on outdated information.

I've had CCW (or Firearms Licenses) from Georgia for 15 years. The permit negating a NICS check is in force here and you can buy a gun with it and not have to undergo the check. You still have to fill out the Form 4473.

That said, there was one year here in Georgia a few years ago that this ATF privilege (ha) was revoked because Georgia did not recheck the eligibility of its CCW holders often enough during the 5 year period. Georgia revamped their periodic checks and the WAIVER it applied for to the ATF was reinstated.

3 posted on 06/28/2013 6:40:50 AM PDT by Gaffer
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“It’s not about losing revenue. Permits cost a measly five bucks.”

If I remember correctly, one permit gets you one handgun. 10 handguns= $50, and if 100 citizens bought one each= $500 that day. My opinion is that the $$ is an important consideration over the course of a year, especially for smaller Sheriff’s departments where a few hundred dollars is more significant. Most of the 100 Sheriff’s departments in NC would probably be smaller ones, and therefore, most of the Sheriff’s departments are against it.


7 posted on 06/28/2013 6:49:29 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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So, to take this from the other side, by abandoning the existing system, it makes it much easier for someone to take away my rights to purchase a firearm by entering some bogus information in the national database. And rather than simply appealing to the local sheriff, the buyer would have to somehow appeal a national database with no real existing appeals process short of filing a federal lawsuit.

And on the other side is a defacto gun registry. Strikes me that both sides are wrong in this, but given the choice, I'd rather stick with the existing system, and do not fault the local sheriffs from wanting to continue it.

15 posted on 06/28/2013 7:32:31 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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The pistol purchase permit system is a hold-over from the Jim Crow era.

Apparently, this is the reason for the system in Michigan, also.

16 posted on 06/28/2013 7:46:13 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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When I read the title “Why Are NC Sheriffs Working to Stop Pro-Gun Bill?”, my instant answer to the question was “because they are jack booted fascist thugs” then I read their reasoning and realized that they are jack booted fascist thugs.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” ~ Thomas Jefferson


17 posted on 06/28/2013 7:49:31 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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Unfortunately, the North Carolina Sheriffs Association (NCSA) opposes the bill because of a single provision: the repeal of our pistol purchase permit system.

Entrusting our rights to law enforcement officers is an inherently bad idea. Take it from there.

19 posted on 06/28/2013 7:52:20 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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NC is a shall issue state, therefore, the local sheriff is not the one who approves or disapproves your gun purchase permit, his office simply is tasked with processing it.


21 posted on 06/28/2013 8:16:19 AM PDT by jstaff
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I’ll go for the Occam’s razor explanation. The Sheriffs see this as part of their power of office. The ability to reward their friends with licenses, as well as punish their enemies, or just people they don’t think should have guns, because of their politics or class, as much as race.


22 posted on 06/28/2013 8:31:55 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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I think this article could use these links.

Ann Coulter: "If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium"

This is the link to the NYC map.

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map

Black racism and race hatred of non blacks

23 posted on 06/28/2013 9:04:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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For those who are interested: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/89892

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24 posted on 06/28/2013 11:45:37 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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