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Hot Mic in NJ catches the talk of Gun-Grabbers when they realize they don't have enough votes
Youtube ^ | 6/6/13 | Eddie Starnater·

Posted on 06/20/2013 4:51:11 PM PDT by Nachum

Audio recording with commentary of 6-6-13 NJ Public Safety Committee. If you can make out any audio we missed, please comment. Please Share. This is unacceptable behavior by politicians with an agenda thwarting the will of the people. Assembly rules (specifically 12:3.) Says " No Motions During Roll Call Vote. After a roll call vote has commenced, no motion is in order until the results are announced by the Speaker." Thanks to Bob W. who has a complete a transcript as is humanly possible below:To add more to what was said, I picked out the following in the audio clip: ------------------- "There won't be 5 votes. We need 7. You told members of the commmittee we need 7 votes" -unintelligible- "We still won't have it. We still don't have it." -mic off- "kay, we're gonna move on to the next bill. You wanna do the same one..." "...are you tabling that bill?" "We are taking a break from that bill." "We'll take a break from that bill." "Next bill that we're gonna consider will be, um...Assemby bill 4181...and..." "...and..." "...I'm sorry..." "(unintelligible) point of order...can we go onto another bill while there's no authority on another? "What we're asking to do is we're just checking the language on one bill...just checking and we're gonna come right back to it...just make sure we're correct, because of the amendment" "(unintelligible) but you haven't called the roll yet" "I don't...no, you don't have to, no..." "Ah, based on what I was informed, we didn't have to..." "I don't know how you start to..." "Well, we're gonna come right back to the bill..." "...I think it's a point of order that I think you have to finish,once you call the roll, you have to finish...the vote..." "...I don't know that that's, I don't know that that's a committee rule...I think that Chairman has the discretion" "...before you move onto other business" "I understand what you're saying, but since I'm not...uh, based on the information that I received, and that's not a committee rule, we're going to just move onto the next bill and we'll come right back to that bill...we will vote on that bill completely today" "I understand what you want to do, but I'm not sure you can do it...you, you have to...once you call the roll, you gotta finish it...you could've...before you had it, once before you started to first and second it, you could've moved onto another bill and come back, but once you do that, I think you have to take all the votes and then move on to the next business. I don't think you can stop in the middle of taking votes..." "Until we find out for sure, what we're going to do is we're going to move on, Assemblyman. Thank you." "Mr. Chairman, why don't you take a motion to (unintelligible)" "we're going to look into that..." -crosstalk- "...you can make a motion to take a short recess during a meeting (something "business")..." "You wanna do that?" "What we'll do is how about we make a motion to take a short recess and we'll find out for sure what we...the best way to do it...will that suffice with you...that be alright?" "Certainly" "Can I get a motion?" "On a motion to recess...Assemblyman Rigal..." "Agree" "We're motioning to take a recess" "again, how do you order a recess, Mr. Chairman? You can't take another motion while another motion is pending" "ok, we gonna take a recess. Ok? Ok. We gonna take a recess" -break- After looking at the amendments, and seeing that they were very unclear to myself and a couple other members, I'm gonna ask that we hold this bill and have a chance to speak to the sponsor to make a good bill better, so we're gonna be holding bill A4182, and we're not going to move further on the Senate version of the same bill. So we will be holding that bill today." ----------------------- also per bob. This is kinda crazy. They're voting on an amendment to a bill...but when they were almost done collecting the votes, they stopped...BECAUSE THEY SAW THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS IT??!! And then went on to other business?? WOAH! You can't do that. I wish I knew who was talking in the background TELLING them that they can't do that! A transcript would be awesome, Jack! Let's hope we can hear more. I'm sure the above isn't 100% correct. Hopefully someone else can check what I posted above, and correct what I got wrong.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; hot; mic; nj; secondamendment
Too much fun.

Audio at link

1 posted on 06/20/2013 4:51:11 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Formatting is our friend.


2 posted on 06/20/2013 5:20:02 PM PDT by nomad
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To: Nachum
This is unacceptable behavior by politicians with an agenda thwarting the will of the people.

What a dreamer!

Has this guy ever heard of Obama Care?

60% didn’t want it when they passed it and 70% don’t want it now.

3 posted on 06/20/2013 5:21:49 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Nachum

If Roberts Rule of Order was required in school, this goof ball was dumber than a second grader.


4 posted on 06/20/2013 5:46:44 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: Nachum
"There won't be 5 votes. We need 7. You told members of the commmittee we need 7 votes”
-unintelligible- "We still won't have it. We still don't have it.”
-mic off- "kay, we're gonna move on to the next bill. You wanna do the same one...”
"...are you tabling that bill?”
"We are taking a break from that bill.”
"We'll take a break from that bill.”
"Next bill that we're gonna consider will be, um...Assemby bill 4181...and...”
"...and...”
"...I'm sorry...”
"(unintelligible) point of order...can we go onto another bill while there's no authority on another? "
”What we're asking to do is we're just checking the language on one bill...just checking and we're gonna come right back to it...just make sure we're correct, because of the amendment”
"(unintelligible) but you haven't called the roll yet”
"I don't...no, you don't have to, no...”
"Ah, based on what I was informed, we didn't have to...”
"I don't know how you start to...”
"Well, we're gonna come right back to the bill...”
"...I think it's a point of order that I think you have to finish,once you call the roll, you have to finish...the vote...”
"...I don't know that that's, I don't know that that's a committee rule...I think that Chairman has the discretion”
"...before you move onto other business”
"I understand what you're saying, but since I'm not...uh, based on the information that I received, and that's not a committee rule, we're going to just move onto the next bill and we'll come right back to that bill...we will vote on that bill completely today”
"I understand what you want to do, but I'm not sure you can do it...you, you have to...once you call the roll, you gotta finish it...you could've...before you had it, once before you started to first and second it, you could've moved onto another bill and come back, but once you do that, I think you have to take all the votes and then move on to the next business. I don't think you can stop in the middle of taking votes...”
"Until we find out for sure, what we're going to do is we're going to move on, Assemblyman. Thank you.”
"Mr. Chairman, why don't you take a motion to (unintelligible)”
"we're going to look into that...”
-crosstalk- "...you can make a motion to take a short recess during a meeting (something "business")...”
"You wanna do that?”
"What we'll do is how about we make a motion to take a short recess and we'll find out for sure what we...the best way to do it...will that suffice with you...that be alright?”
"Certainly”
"Can I get a motion?”
"On a motion to recess...Assemblyman Rigal...”
"Agree”
"We're motioning to take a recess”
"again, how do you order a recess, Mr. Chairman? You can't take another motion while another motion is pending”
"ok, we gonna take a recess. Ok? Ok. We gonna take a recess”

-break- After looking at the amendments, and seeing that they were very unclear to myself and a couple other members, I'm gonna ask that we hold this bill and have a chance to speak to the sponsor to make a good bill better, so we're gonna be holding bill A4182, and we're not going to move further on the Senate version of the same bill. So we will be holding that bill today." ----------------------- also per bob. This is kinda crazy. They're voting on an amendment to a bill...but when they were almost done collecting the votes, they stopped...BECAUSE THEY SAW THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS IT??!! And then went on to other business?? WOAH! You can't do that. I wish I knew who was talking in the background TELLING them that they can't do that! A transcript would be awesome, Jack! Let's hope we can hear more. I'm sure the above isn't 100% correct. Hopefully someone else can check what I posted above, and correct what I got wrong.

5 posted on 06/20/2013 6:17:26 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Pontiac
60% didn’t want it when they passed it and 70% don’t want it now.

That's what I thought and expected a resounding spanking for The Won [Again] in 12, you know, the last chance for repeal before it kicked in but no. And I don't think you can blame election shenanigans either; I don't think you can overcome a 30-40% deficit with vote fraud. Although, with electronic voting these days, who KNOWS what they can pull off.

6 posted on 06/20/2013 7:18:51 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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